Begsu1013 A good man

MULLINS5 · #1 08-22-2016, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

See....a two day suspension is nothing. PSA suspended me for a year because some members thought it funny to call my job to try and get me fired. Talk about placing blame on the victim!! Since I was "upsetting' some of the members that were attacking me, they got rid of me instead of the ones doing the attacking! ROTFLMAO! The year has long since come and gone, but I have no desire to post on a forum whose company treats people like that.

Around 2008 a CU member (or members) made several complaints into my work. I don't know who did it (I have my suspicions) but I know for a fact they came from CU members because that was the only online forum I belonged to and the complaints came from disgruntled customers by the names of "Conner Fette" "Gretskee" et cetera. This was during a time when a small group of members there were harassing me for offering a few counterfeit (I naively thought reprint) Gretzky rookies on the BST forums that I picked-up as a kid at the Gibralter show in Michigan sometime in 1996. A novice mistake that I have, many times, again and again, apologized for.

Fast-forward to recent times. There was a forum by the name of "Cardboard Talk" where just about anything would go. This was a place, mainly, for CU banned members to ridicule members of the collecting community. The language they would use was absolutely terrible. They took shots at people's family members and shared images off facebook pages to make fun. In all seriousness, you'd be shocked at the kind of things that took place there. The cat image Bob posted is nothing compared to what took place there. Several of these people have replied in this thread.

It was on that forum that a member gave advice on how to get a CU member banned (to get them to threaten you in a PM). Shortly thereafter a CU member did just that to Bobby which led to him getting banned.

And now I just found out that one of these members PM'd someone on this forum telling them there is a rumor that I am the one that called Bobby's work to try to get him fired. This kind of behavior is unacceptable and has no place here or on CU.

CMIZ5290 · #2 08-22-2016, 07:51 PM

Patrick- So give specifics. You have made some accusations so who exactly are you talking about? This almost seems like elementary school, not professional like... Kevin Mize

MULLINS5 · #3 08-22-2016, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Patrick- So give specifics. You have made some accusations so who exactly are you talking about? Kevin Mize

Kevin, if it is OK with Leon, I will share names. Otherwise, I'd like to just help validate that what Bobby posted is accurate.

CMIZ5290 · #4 08-22-2016, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MULLINS5

Kevin, if it is OK with Leon, I will share names. Otherwise, I'd like to just help validate that what Bobby posted is accurate.

I understand, fair enough...

Leon · #5 08-22-2016, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I understand, fair enough...

While there is no rule against members naming names, if their own name is by their post, I would just as soon not hash out CU, or other venue, issues here. I won't say not to....but would prefer to stay to most stuff pertaining to what goes on here. I would also prefer more card related threads but such is life. Happy collecting...

begsu1013 · #6 08-22-2016, 08:45 PM

considering the similarity of names:

the Bobby that is being referred to lately in this thread is NOT me.

believe that is member w/ handle BobbyW

just want this to be crystal clear.

bobbyw8469 · #7 08-22-2016, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by begsu1013

considering the similarity of names:

the Bobby that is being referred to lately in this thread is NOT me.

believe that is member w/ handle BobbyW

just want this to be crystal clear.

My apologies Bob. I didn't mean to derail "your" thread. Glad you are back.

clydepepper · #8 08-22-2016, 09:04 PM

I just worry that too many members are exposing themselves as little league parents.

Play Ball

- and as Leon said, "Happy Collecting."

TNP777 · #9 08-22-2016, 08:24 PM

As a former CBT member and someone who had the keys to the place for a short time, I may as well chime in.

First, let me 100% emphatically got on the record with this: calling someone at work or home over disagreements or personality conflicts on a message board is 100% a scumbag move. I for one would never consider doing that to someone. I spoke with Bobby about this exact thing, and he and I are good on that. I said this to Bobby privately, and Patrick, I will say this to you publicly: I am sorry you had to endure that. It's not funny, it's not cool, it's disgusting.

Now for CBT. Briefly, it was made up almost exclusively of people who wanted and were allowed the freedom to speak their minds, colorful real-world language and all. Some were banned CU members, but hardly most. Several more had at one time or another been banned/suspended, but had been allowed back on the site. I was one of those (because of things I said to/about BBG). People and topics were discussed just like they are in the real world, and the discussion wasn't always flattering.

I'll leave it at that. CBT was there, and now it's not - that's probably a good thing. It served a purpose for a time, and it was an outlet to speak freely about a wide range of topics. The vast majority of those topics were benign, but obviously some weren't.

MULLINS5 · #10 08-22-2016, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TNP777

As a former CBT member and someone who had the keys to the place for a short time, I may as well chime in.

First, let me 100% emphatically got on the record with this: calling someone at work or home over disagreements or personality conflicts on a message board is 100% a scumbag move. I for one would never consider doing that to someone. I spoke with Bobby about this exact thing, and he and I are good on that. I said this to Bobby privately, and Patrick, I will say this to you publicly: I am sorry you had to endure that. It's not funny, it's not cool, it's disgusting.

Now for CBT. Briefly, it was made up almost exclusively of people who wanted and were allowed the freedom to speak their minds, colorful real-world language and all. Some were banned CU members, but hardly most. Several more had at one time or another been banned/suspended, but had been allowed back on the site. I was one of those (because of things I said to/about BBG). People and topics were discussed just like they are in the real world, and the discussion wasn't always flattering.

I'll leave it at that. CBT was there, and now it's not - that's probably a good thing. It served a purpose for a time, and it was an outlet to speak freely about a wide range of topics. The vast majority of those topics were benign, but obviously some weren't.

I specifically remember a thread where yankeeno7 took a photo from Bobby's facebook page, edited it, and posted it for laughs. If my memory is correct you went to his page, too, and commented on an old mullet picture. It was in that same thread that Bobby's workplace was revealed and shortly after that someone supposedly called Bobby's workplace.

Topics on that site were not discussed like they are in the real world (at least I certainly hope not). As a mod you let way too much go and that speaks to your character. At least Leon put his foot down on the cat picture, but you couldn't do the same on so many posts, especially ones where mentally challenged people were mocked.

TNP777 · #11 08-22-2016, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MULLINS5

I specifically remember a thread where yankeeno7 took a photo from Bobby's facebook page, edited it, and posted it for laughs. If my memory is correct you went to his page, too, and commented on an old mullet picture. It was in that same thread that Bobby's workplace was revealed and shortly after that someone supposedly called Bobby's workplace.

Topics on that site were not discussed like they are in the real world (at least I certainly hope not). As a mod you let way too much go and that speaks to your character. At least Leon put his foot down on the cat picture, but you couldn't do the same on so many posts, especially ones where mentally challenged people were mocked.

Patrick, I did go to Bobby's page, which as of this moment is still absolutely public and accessible by people he is not 'friends' with. Pictures, timeline, etc. He has been told this before. As for his workplace being talked about, that was also in his public profile so it was discussed. I don't know who called Bobby at work, zero clue at all, but it 100% stinks that it happened.

Did I comment on Bobby's mullet? I'm sure I did. Not gonna lie, mullets are funny. A great many hairstyles (when I had hair) and clothes I used to wear when I was younger are pretty funny, too. I remember when I was in the Air Force I had bangs that I'd grown down below my chin. Used to plaster the hair around the side of my head so I would be within regulations. I would expect to get some laughter thrown my way if I was to throw some of those pictures up. I look at them myself and wonder "what the heck was I thinking???"

eta: the mullet picture's still there, too. As mullets go, it's way better than most!

Topics on that site were absolutely a reflection of the world we live in. We even had a politics/religion subforum. There were a great many very heated disagreements between CBT members, and a great many other people and topics were discussed and comments were sometimes unflattering - just like the real world. Yes, in a perfect world people would get along and not have differences. People would be building each other up rather than tearing them down. But that's not the world we live in.

I'm not aware of the mentally challenged being mocked, but if you say it happened then I suppose it did. Moderation there was light for the most part, so on occasion there were things, pictures and topics being discussed that some would not find to their liking. Eta: there were also LOTS more topics and threads that were not the cesspool that Bobby describes.

ALR-bishop · #12 08-22-2016, 09:40 PM

I forget , what is this thread about ?

MULLINS5 · #13 08-22-2016, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TNP777

Patrick, I did go to Bobby's page, which as of this moment is still absolutely public and accessible by people he is not 'friends' with. Pictures, timeline, etc. He has been told this before. As for his workplace being talked about, that was also in his public profile so it was discussed. I don't know who called Bobby at work, zero clue at all, but it 100% stinks that it happened.

Did I comment on Bobby's mullet? I'm sure I did. Not gonna lie, mullets are funny. A great many hairstyles (when I had hair) and clothes I used to wear when I was younger are pretty funny, too. I remember when I was in the Air Force I had bangs that I'd grown down below my chin. Used to plaster the hair around the side of my head so I would be within regulations. I would expect to get some laughter thrown my way if I was to throw some of those pictures up. I look at them myself and wonder "what the heck was I thinking???"

Topics on that site were absolutely a reflection of the world we live in. We even had a politics/religion subforum. There were a great many very heated disagreements between CBT members, and a great many other people and topics were discussed, and comments were sometimes unflattering - just like the real world. Yes, in a perfect world people would get along and not have differences. People would be building each other up rather than tearing them down. But that's not the world we live in.

I'm not aware of the mentally challenged being mocked, but if you say it happened, then it probably did. Moderation there was light for the most part, so things, pictures and topics were discussed that some would not find to their liking.

You were an active member of a site which advocated tearing people down and causing mischief on other forums, such as CU. You simply cannot say that site was a place for real world discussions. Jokes about the gay community, the mentally handicap, suicide - ALL directed at collectors on other forums was downright unacceptable.

yankeeno7 · #14 08-22-2016, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MULLINS5

I specifically remember a thread where yankeeno7 took a photo from Bobby's facebook page, edited it, and posted it for laughs. If my memory is correct you went to his page, too, and commented on an old mullet picture. It was in that same thread that Bobby's workplace was revealed and shortly after that someone supposedly called Bobby's workplace.

Topics on that site were not discussed like they are in the real world (at least I certainly hope not). As a mod you let way too much go and that speaks to your character. At least Leon put his foot down on the cat picture, but you couldn't do the same on so many posts, especially ones where mentally challenged people were mocked.

Ok, here is my side....

Did I draw on Bobby's pic and post it? I admit, yes I did. Was it childish? Yes, it was. In fact, if memory serves me correctly, I did take it down SOON after I posted it. I did the "paint" on his pic to actually make him unrecognizable but again, if my memory serves me correctly, it was AFTER someone posted his public FB pic. I realized it was not so appropriate even though I made him unrecognizable and took the pic down.

But know this - I would absolutely NEVER call a person's work or home to make their real life difficult. That's just not me. And I would be happy to provide Leon all of my phone records from the said time to prove that I did not. I say Leon because he is an impartial party and this is his board and someone everyone here would trust.

Yes, I have had my hashes with Bobby. No need for me to get into those things. And no need to get into the story of why this all happened and what happened afterwards. If you are really that interested in knowing, feel free to PM me but I will not make this a public circus.

Also, Patrick, you are wrong about something else. I NEVER posted on Bobby's facebook.

Patrick, I do not understand why you are telling Bobby's story. If he wants to make it public that is fine with me. I thought you were telling your own story. But it's fine. I have no problem admitting what I have done whether it be good, bad, or indifferent.

Also, I think it is important people should know that I did not go on Facebook to search out Bobby. I could have cared less. We both belonged to a PSA collector's page. I saw the name and went to CBT to ask if that was really him.

Bobby, if you want a public apology here it is....I am sorry that I was childish and drew on your pic. I meant no harm by it. It was a goofy thing to do and I did make it so it could not recognize who you were and I did take it down soon after. Please know that I would never call your work or home. I am not a stylish person but that for sure is not my style.

MULLINS5 · #15 08-22-2016, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by yankeeno7

Ok, here is my side....

Did I draw on Bobby's pic and post it? I admit, yes I did. Was it childish? Yes, it was. In fact, if memory serves me correctly, I did take it down SOON after I posted it. I did the "paint" on his pic to actually make him unrecognizable but again, if my memory serves me correctly, it was AFTER someone posted his public FB pic. I realized it was not so appropriate even though I made him unrecognizable and took the pic down.

But know this - I would absolutely NEVER call a person's work or home to make their real life difficult. That's just not me. And I would be happy to provide Leon all of my phone records from the said time to prove that I did not. I say Leon because he is an impartial party and this is his board and someone everyone here would trust.

Yes, I have had my hashes with Bobby. No need for me to get into those things. And no need to get into the story of why this all happened and what happened afterwards. If you are really that interested in knowing, feel free to PM me but I will not make this a public circus.

Also, Patrick, you are wrong about something else. I NEVER posted on Bobby's facebook.

Patrick, I do not understand why you are telling Bobby's story. If he wants to make it public that is fine with me. I thought you were telling your own story. But it's fine. I have no problem admitting what I have done whether it be good, bad, or indifferent.

Also, I think it is important people should know that I did not go on Facebook to search out Bobby. I could have cared less. We both belonged to a PSA collector's page. I saw the name and went to CBT to ask if that was really him.

Bobby, if you want a public apology here it is....I am sorry that I was childish and drew on your pic. I meant no harm by it. It was a goofy thing to do and I did make it so it could not recognize who you were and I did take it down soon after. Please know that I would never call your work or home. I am not a stylish person but that for sure is not my style.

Never said you posted on his Facebook.

Doesn't seem like the paint was to make him unrecognizable (I edited out the pic).

bobbyw8469 · #16 08-22-2016, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Patrick- So give specifics. You have made some accusations so who exactly are you talking about? This almost seems like elementary school, not professional like... Kevin Mize

I thought the exact same thing Kevin. It seems so grade school, with some of the crap that was pulled. They hardly acted like any adults. I'm almost 50 years old. I don't have time for the crap.

irv · #17 08-22-2016, 08:00 PM

I have not looked at Begsu's post, nor do I want to being a cat/animal fan.

I will say however, these threads must stop and desist or I fear it will happen what happened to another forum I belonged to.

One guy who ran a sled site (snowmobile) got sick of all the moderation it required to run it. He had to ban people, stick up for people, appease the contributing members, etc, etc, etc.

When he got tired of that he sold the site and started another sled site, only this site had zero rules/moderation. He thought it could/would self moderate thinking that most people would have a degree of respect/decency for each other and keep personal attacks on family, jobs, etc, etc, out of posts.

Long story short, it didn't work, (big surprise!

) and he has now sold that site and is no longer running any site that I am aware of?

What I am trying to say is, running one of these sites like, Leon's Net54, is not easy. (I was a moderator on a somewhat open/unmoderated atv site) It takes a lot of work and is time consuming, let alone having to deal with certain personalities, constant PM's, updates, upgrades, problems and of course trying to gain/retain contributing/paying advertising members to help pay for things.

I belong to a few other card sites but this is the one I frequent 99.9% of the time, so in saying that, I think we all need to be careful what we say and do on here, how we treat each other and especially how we treat, Leon, or like the sled sites I mentioned above, one day, Leon is going to say, enough of this sh*t, I am out of here!

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