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Your picks for Individual MLB Awards for 2016!
Who do you think should win MVP, Cy Young and Rookie of the Year for both leagues?
my choices! AL: MVP- Trout Cy Young- Kluber ROY- Michael Fulmer NL: MVP- Bryant Cy Young- Scherzer ROY- Corey Seager
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MVP: Trout CY: Tanaka ROY: Gary Sanchez NL: MVP: Arenado CY: Scherzer ROY: Seager |
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MVP: Betts CY: Porcello ROY: Gary Sanchez NL: MVP: Bryant CY: Scherzer ROY: Seager I can't believe I am picking two Red Sox in the AL, but I think they deserve it. Kinda stuck on NL cy winner, many pitchers are really close...Bumgarner, Hendricks, Lester, Jansen, Fernandez maybe some love for Kershaw or Arrietta.
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AL: MVP - Betts
Cy Young - Kluber Rookie - Sanchez NL: MVP - Murphy Cy Young - Fernandez Rookie - Seager |
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AL MVP - Betts
AL CY - Kluber ROY - Fulmer NL MVP - Murphy NL CY - Scherzer ROY - Seager What am I missing in the votes for Trout as the MVP?
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The fact that he is the best all around player in the league, and in baseball, and this from a Boston fan.
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Not to mention a guy named Lester at 18-4 and 2.36. Would anyone have believed a couple of months ago that one could legitimately say Arietta was only the third best pitcher on the Cubs?
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betts is around 30% better than league avg as a hitter, trout is 70%, so he's betts on steroids...and trout plays at a more premium position (altho betts can certainly play CF also).
AL mvp--trout nl mvp--bryant nl roy-- seager unanimous don't really care about the other clusterf*(* awards, seems like a down year for pitching too bad kershaw got hurt no one else really that dominant. sanchez needs another month playing time to really get some al roy consideration.
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for WAR in the NL, and Scherzer leads. http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/pitchi...6/seasontype/2
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Arguably, Trout may be the best all around player, but that doesn't translate to him getting the MVP award each year.
The numbers just aren't there this year for Trout.
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The Angel Fish
Trout is leading the league in OPS+ (on-base plus slugging, adjusted to account for the park he plays in); and that understates how good he's been, since he is also leading the league in on-base percentage. (Which is more important than slugging percentage.)
He's already over 10 bWAR. It is, according to bWAR, already the 48th greatest position-player season of all time (tied with Hornsby 1927, Rosen 1953, Ruth 1928, and Speaker 1912), and he's still got something like a week and a half left to add on to that. Trout should be running away with this one. The Angels stink though, and the voters care about that (despite explicit instructions not to), so he probably won't win it. |
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edit: i fixed your post for u
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http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...ter=&players=0 it uses FIP instead of ERA+ and tho pitcher war is nowhere near as solid as batter war, I prefer FIP. ymmv
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It's a question of which numbers. Look at his on base percentage and WAR for example. As an example of a metric that doesn't show up in the glamour numbers, I believe he has walked 50 or 60 more times than Betts. That's pretty significant.
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If there was an award for biggest drop off the cliff, Bryce Harper would win easily. His batting average is down 90 points, his slugging average down 200, and his OPS down 300 from last year. Wow.
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I vote Trout because he leads or is in the top 3 of nearly all advanced offensive statistics while doing the same thing on defense as a center fielder. He's also having a better season this year than he did when he did win the MVP.
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wasn't meant to be an insult...just that they got to back to back world series winnning one doing it all on a small market budget against these teams with 200mil payrolls. you thought that was a fluke or luck?
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No doubt Trout gets on base and is a huge benefit for the Angels. Betts gets on base too, not the same percentage as Trout though. In exchange for the walks, Betts has almost 40 more hits than Trout. I'll take those hits any day over a walk. Those walks only move a runner that is directly in front, one base. The extra hits that Betts has, moves runners on all bases and in some instances, two bases. I'll take that production every time.
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I have seen the team win and lose and been just as big of fan regardless. No bandwagoner here! The margin for " error " with this team is slim. (You obviously know the game and probably know this, so I apologize if I am telling you something you know.) That's why the staff goes 5 or 6 innings, and the pen takes over. Our SP is not very good, and the pressure on the pen to be the best, or even " record breaking " in their effectiveness each season is unreasonable. The pen failed miserably this season. Heading into this season 2016, widely held belief here in KC was the team was better than last year. The 2015 team had few if any injuries. Players had career years. The pen was the very best in the game, and arguably the best in history of the game. Hosmer was the only player to repeat the performance of 2015, and even perform a little better in 2016. Everyone else had a drop in performance. The 2016 team also dealt with major injuries from major contributors from the 2015 team. The problem I have had with this team is their " aggressiveness " at the plate. They swing at everything, and for the past two seasons, and maybe three, KC has been among the worst teams at swinging at pitches out of the strike zone. They are also among the worst in drawing walks, and as a result, the opposing pitcher throws fewer pitches and can go deeper in the game. KC SP has thrown the fewest innings of any staff for the past 2 or three years. The talent isn't there, it's in the pen. These are a few things that I have seen, and others in KC have too. IMO this is not a blueprint for success, at least not longterm. Too many things have to go right, hence a slim margin for error. So, while analytics played a part in KC success, a large part required things to go " right " and lucky that players had career years and remained healthy. What are your thoughts?
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LOL, ok...we're splitting hairs. Hard to go wrong with either player!
Tell me about the Bob Evans logo. Is there a story?
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True that. Both have had great years. The logo? A nod to the banned Mr. Evans, naturally. Sincere or sarcastic? In the eye of the beholder.
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You can only work with what the pitcher is gonna give you - and my hats off to both of them for recognizing such. Trout has more walks because of the Angels anemic lineup - not a knock on Puljos, it just is. Betts gets more hits because who ate you going to pitch around in that lineup? Angels have a -33 run differential and Boston +189!
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nl cy--jofer...rip big guy may there be more players like you and less redasses like madbum and mccann.
re royals: their projection for this year had them miss the playoffs, so they are what they are...although they way overshot their projection last year. of course we all know baseball is very random and small sample size luck vary season by season...so the smart front offices are pushing .5-2% edges to tilt the math in their favors against the randomness. that's why the diamondbacks and angels will always suck as long as they keep hiring old-school guys who'd rather settle the bean ball score than actually look at l/r splits. edit: it's also a weird take that somehow the best player is NOT the most valuable. everyone agrees trout is the best, he gives your team 10wins every year...but he's not as valuable as the other guys who measures out at 8, 7, and even 5 wins. so ortiz only gives you 5 wins, but his fiery speeches somehow makes up the other 5 wins in the standing.
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I don't know about the rookies to make a guess, but for the others:
AL MVP: Betts CYA: Head says Kluber, heart says Porcello, going to go with Kluber. NL MVP: Bryant CYA: Scherzer
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From Bob Nightengale covering baseball for USA Today: The three finalists voted on by the players for their Player of Year Award: Jose Altuve, Mookie Betts and David Ortiz...
So this proves the people actually playing the game knows as much about baseball as a casual fan. No wonder important front office decision makers like epstein are making 10mil a year now.
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check the table to the right there ,it's listing only people who qualify for the ERA title (162 innings pitched) if you lower the required innings it will show em all!
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I know, but WAR is basically a counting stat and not a rate stat, the fact that someone has missed enough time to not be official but still has the highest WAR among pitchers is mind-blowing.
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true, but pitcher WAR does have some issues as it undervalues ground ball pitchers a fair bit, it's something they are trying to work on.
I tend to think that the pitcher who threw more innings with similar numbers should win. (BTW, Syndegaard tied Kershaw for WAR) BUT, I think with Sherzer's 40 more inn. pitched, half a K per 9 better rate and similar enough other stuff, he's your Cy Young winner for the NL. (tho, Syndegaard had the most 'unlucky" BABIP against which probably means he was the best pitcher overall, but no voter is going to look at that)
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Papi.
38 HR, 127 RBI, .317 BA, .625 SP, 1.028 OPS, and 48(!) freakin' doubles on a division winner, and potential WS-bound/champion team... all this from a 40 year old gets MY vote. JMO, and YMMV, but...one helluva "retirement" season, and seemingly valuable to his team. DS . |
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MVP Trout CY Britton Roy Fullmer NL MVP Arenando CY Fernandez Roy seager |
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MVP Betts CY Britton ROY Fullmer NL MVP Bryant CY Scherzer ROY Seager |
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MVP Trout CY Porcello ROY Fullmer NL MVP Bryant CY Scherzer ROY Seager |
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