OT-Can you imagine Nagurski, Thorpe, Rockne and Grange ....

[Louieman]

Originally Posted by DBesse27

It's for breast cancer awareness. I guess I don't understand why the color of players' cleats bothers you, or why you think some of the old timers would be so insecure that they wouldn't support the cause.

I'm wearing 2 breast cancer bracelets right now (and every day) and own pink shirts and ties. I don't feel like I need a big, loud truck or other overt symbols to prove I'm masculine. In fact, supporting the women in our lives is what makes you a "real man."

+1

It's 2016 people. Pink is a color. Its wavelength is slighter longer than blue. It's as "manly" or as "feminine" as you decide it to be. Jeesh.

[bravos4evr]

It was a harder scrabble life back then, people were just happy that they lived to be 65 without polio or their kids dying before puberty.(and players didn't make the kind of bread they do now)

That plus men were men back then and didn't get conned into acting like "sensitive special snowflakes" by a dubiously,agenda driven academic society like they do now. Hey , wear what you want this is a free country, but this modern attitude of "anyone who doesn't aggressively support cause XYZ is a terrible person" is getting a bit tired.

I have been amused by the advent of the beard as modern masculine symbol when it generally is worn by a guy who would get a panic attack at a horror movie.

[Rookiemonster]

They don't have the Ribon on !

[Louieman]

Yeah, psh, men who share their emotions, what sissies.

Give me a break with that nonsense.

[DBesse27]

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

It was a harder scrabble life back then, people were just happy that they lived to be 65 without polio or their kids dying before puberty.(and players didn't make the kind of bread they do now)

That plus men were men back then and didn't get conned into acting like "sensitive special snowflakes" by a dubiously,agenda driven academic society like they do now. Hey , wear what you want this is a free country, but this modern attitude of "anyone who doesn't aggressively support cause XYZ is a terrible person" is getting a bit tired.

I have been amused by the advent of the beard as modern masculine symbol when it generally is worn by a guy who would get a panic attack at a horror movie.

I didn't realize I'd been conned. I thought I supported breast cancer awareness because my mother died from the disease at 58 years old. Next time I'm at her grave and talking to her, I'll remember to admonish her for conning me.

[DBesse27]

Frank, you implied that there's something wrong with wearing pink shoes and then said the color of a doctor's shoes doesn't matter. Why, then, do you care about the color of a professional athlete's shoes. The way I read your OP, you were saying that Grange et al wouldn't wear pink shoes because there's something "wrong" with that, presumably that pink is too "feminine." If I'm right about your intent, and your presumption of those players' aversion to pink is also correct, then I am comfortable saying that I'm more of a "real man" than you are or they were, since I don't rely on symbols (beards included) to prove my masculinity to the world.

If, however, I misinterpreted your OP, then I apologize. If you were simply griping about current society's bandwagon/fad obsession and about corporate intrusion into our national pastimes, then you'll find no disagreement coming from me.

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by DBesse27

I didn't realize I'd been conned. I thought I supported breast cancer awareness because my mother died from the disease at 58 years old. Next time I'm at her grave and talking to her, I'll remember to admonish her for conning me.

nice way to take a general statement, make it personal and then grab a big ole appeal to emotion at the end.\\sorry about your mom, but I stand by my statement. Too many males of today are not men, they are weak, fragile and pathetic.

, then I am comfortable saying that I'm more of a "real man" than you are or they were, since I don't rely on symbols (beards included) to prove my masculinity to the world.

yes, so comfortable you certainly refrain from spreading this belief around like rice at a wedding

[DBesse27]

Nick, you "sound" like a caveman.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by DBesse27

Nick, you "sound" like a caveman.

I think he is right. You took Frank way too seriously. You obviously haven't met and don't know him. Pink shoes, I got no problem with them. I like bright colors personally, though I admit I don't own any pink shoes or clothing.

[DBesse27]

Frank and I have exchanged some polite and thought provoking PM's. No grudge there and he seems like a great guy.

Nick, on the other hand, still bothers me with his assertion that somebody is being "conned" if they wear pink during October. His comment about weak, fragile, pathetic men also reeks of false bravado. It's disappointing, Leon, that you would say this kind of attitude is "right."

[frankbmd]

During my career as a surgeon, I treated hundreds of women and a few men with breast cancer and am fully aware of the disease and its consequences. The patients I helped never complained that I wasn't wearing pink shoes in the office or in the operating room.

Likewise when I was treated for my own colon cancer, I can't recall the color of my surgeon's or oncologist's shoes. Perhaps they were brown.

It is 2016 though and we are living in a PC world where manufacturing pink shoes and other paraphenalia for professional football players to wear in October is apparently necessary to make us all aware and feel good, then so be it.

Let's take it a step further then and make November colon cancer awareness month. Players could wear brown shoes and have several polyps attached to their pants. But wait! ... there are aren't enough months and the season is too short for all the worthy causes for the NFL to promote.

I guess colon cancer will have to be added to October. When you get your next exam, be sure that your doctor uses one of my "pink colonoscopes"

[Mdmtx]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

During my career as a surgeon, I treated hundreds of women and a few men with breast cancer and am fully aware of the disease and its consequences. The patients I helped never complained that I wasn't wearing pink shoes in the office or in the operating room.

Likewise when I was treated for my own colon cancer, I can't recall the color of my surgeon's or oncologist's shoes. Perhaps they were brown.

It is 2016 though and we are living in a PC world where manufacturing pink shoes and other paraphenalia for professional football players to wear in October is apparently necessary to make us all aware and feel good, then so be it.

Let's take it a step further then and make November colon cancer awareness month. Players could wear brown shoes and have several polyps attached to their pants. But wait! ... there are aren't enough months and the season is too short for all the worthy causes for the NFL to promote.

I guess colon cancer will have to be added to October. When you get your next exam, be sure that your doctor uses one of my "pink colonoscopes"

But wait Frank, would the shoe makers still get their big cut? How about the sock people?

I know I never give to a charity unless someone can come up with a slogan and get the shoe people in. Then I'm onboard. I would hate to see the money used to buy shoes go to a charitable organization with a noble cause. Those shoe guys need money. Shoe manufacturers wallets matter.

Mark

[bravos4evr]

Looks like it's the NFL keeping the cash it "raises" and only donating 5%!


http://www.sbnation.com/2012/10/26/3...cancer-charity

[Peter_Spaeth]

Now consider this: in 2011, the MDA Show of Strength, formerly known as the Jerry Lewis Telethon, raised $31 million to fight muscular dystrophy in a single night, and that was down from the amount raised in 2010 ($48 million), when Jerry Lewis was still the host. That means that at their current pace, it would take the NFL another 76 years to raise as much money as the MDA raised in their last two shows. Which begs the question: is this truly the best the NFL can do?

[tschock]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

During my career as a surgeon, I treated hundreds of women and a few men with breast cancer and am fully aware of the disease and its consequences. The patients I helped never complained that I wasn't wearing pink shoes in the office or in the operating room.

Likewise when I was treated for my own colon cancer, I can't recall the color of my surgeon's or oncologist's shoes. Perhaps they were brown.

It is 2016 though and we are living in a PC world where manufacturing pink shoes and other paraphenalia for professional football players to wear in October is apparently necessary to make us all aware and feel good, then so be it.

Let's take it a step further then and make November colon cancer awareness month. Players could wear brown shoes and have several polyps attached to their pants. But wait! ... there are aren't enough months and the season is too short for all the worthy causes for the NFL to promote.

I guess colon cancer will have to be added to October. When you get your next exam, be sure that your doctor uses one of my "pink colonoscopes"

Shoot, Frank. If one really cared about "supporting the women" they would wear the colors for ovarian cancer awareness. Men can't get that no matter how hard they try. Then we can bring back throwing eggs at the opposing team to show our support as fans as well.

We live in bandwagon times where the only way you can show support is by jumping on.

[PolarBear]