Mlb hof tracker

nat · #1 12-13-2016, 02:09 PM

Vlad's career ended up not being as great as we thought it was going to be when he was half way through, but I still think I'd vote for him, and he'll get in before too long. Being a fun and interesting player doesn't make him a better one, but it will help him get elected.

packs · #2 12-13-2016, 03:50 PM

I don't know, I think Vlad was a very special talent no matter how you look at his career. If he had hit a nice round 320 instead of 318 I don't think there would be any debate. It's hard to do that and still hit 449 homers.

bn2cardz · #3 12-15-2016, 11:21 AM

With 44 ballots representing 10% of the ballots here are the interesting notes I take away.

Currently at 75% or higher:
Jeff Bagwell is the leading vote earner with 39 (89%)
Tim Raines 38 ballots (86%)
Trevor Hoffman 35 ballots (80%)
Ivan Rodriguez 35 ballots (80%)
Vlad Guerrero 33 ballots (75%)

The returning players with the most net votes gained (Votes gained from returning votes minus the lost votes from returning voters)

Edgar Martinez sits at 28 ballots (64%), but has gained 6 votes
Bonds, Clemens, and Raines have all gained 5
Walker has gained 4

The biggest drop in returning votes is Schilling who has lost 5 votes.

Beatles Guy · #4 12-15-2016, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bn2cardz

With 44 ballots representing 10% of the ballots here are the interesting notes I take away.

Currently at 75% or higher:
Jeff Bagwell is the leading vote earner with 39 (89%)
Tim Raines 38 ballots (86%)
Trevor Hoffman 35 ballots (80%)
Ivan Rodriguez 35 ballots (80%)
Vlad Guerrero 33 ballots (75%)

The returning players with the most net votes gained (Votes gained from returning votes minus the lost votes from returning voters)

Edgar Martinez sits at 28 ballots (64%), but has gained 6 votes
Bonds, Clemens, and Raines have all gained 5
Walker has gained 4

The biggest drop in returning votes is Schilling who has lost 5 votes.

Whether you agree with it or not, Schilling has screwed himself with his comments over the last few months. Whether that's a reason to keep him out of the Hall or not, I'm not sure.

dgo71 · #5 12-18-2016, 08:57 PM

I will never understand why Schilling gets so much HOF talk. In 20 years he had 6 seasons I'd consider spectacular. That's including 3 years in Philly when he had great seasons with a bad team. Outside of those and his 3 20-game win seasons (none of which garnered him a Cy Young Award, he finished 2nd each time) his career was positively average at best. Being dominant in 15% of your career and only good the rest of the time doesn't scream HOFer to me. I guess the argument could be made that less deserving players are already in but I don't believe past mistakes should condone making repeated mistakes.

Beatles Guy · #6 12-19-2016, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dgo71

I will never understand why Schilling gets so much HOF talk. In 20 years he had 6 seasons I'd consider spectacular. That's including 3 years in Philly when he had great seasons with a bad team. Outside of those and his 3 20-game win seasons (none of which garnered him a Cy Young Award, he finished 2nd each time) his career was positively average at best. Being dominant in 15% of your career and only good the rest of the time doesn't scream HOFer to me. I guess the argument could be made that less deserving players are already in but I don't believe past mistakes should condone making repeated mistakes.

He's borderline at best. Great postseason pitcher though.

packs · #7 12-19-2016, 08:33 AM

Schilling was no Roy Halladay and I don't know if Halladay has a certain place in the HOF either. Either way Schilling should not even sniff induction. They still haven't inducted Mussina was better too.

bravos4evr · #8 12-19-2016, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dgo71

I will never understand why Schilling gets so much HOF talk. In 20 years he had 6 seasons I'd consider spectacular. That's including 3 years in Philly when he had great seasons with a bad team. Outside of those and his 3 20-game win seasons (none of which garnered him a Cy Young Award, he finished 2nd each time) his career was positively average at best. Being dominant in 15% of your career and only good the rest of the time doesn't scream HOFer to me. I guess the argument could be made that less deserving players are already in but I don't believe past mistakes should condone making repeated mistakes.

well, your above statement is incorrect , like by a ton. In his career, Shill had 12 seasons that could be called really really good and 6 that could be called spectacular. When you combine the length of his career, with his production, his K/BB ratio and stuff like WAR, FIP and postseason success you end up with a guy who is right there with Mussina and Smoltz in production.

packs · #9 12-19-2016, 03:59 PM

But he is not as good as Mussina and Smoltz. Only Smoltz is in. So why are people talking about Schilling and not Mussina?

dgo71 · #10 12-19-2016, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bravos4evr

well, your above statement is incorrect , like by a ton. In his career, Shill had 12 seasons that could be called really really good and 6 that could be called spectacular. When you combine the length of his career, with his production, his K/BB ratio and stuff like WAR, FIP and postseason success you end up with a guy who is right there with Mussina and Smoltz in production.

That's your opinion. Guess that bloody sock game meant more to you than it did for me. Mussina and Smoltz are ahead of Schilling in terms of both stats and hardware. Schilling is Kevin Brown at best.

Topps206 · #11 01-17-2017, 09:15 AM

So, I really can't find rhyme to reason as to why Pudge is currently at 78% when he's been suspected while Bagwell is waiting until his 7th year to get elected. If you told me one of them used and the other didn't, my money would be on Pudge based on what Canseco wrote about him and him saying 'Only God knows' in regarda to whether he used or not.

While he wasn't busted ala Clemens, Manny, Sosa, I'm suspicious. Hence why I wouldn't vote for him. Yet there was also suspicion for Piazza and Bagwell. They've waited. While none of the busted users have come close before this year.

This whole fiasco screams cherry picking.

earlywynnfan · #12 01-19-2017, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Topps206

So, I really can't find rhyme to reason as to why Pudge is currently at 78% when he's been suspected while Bagwell is waiting until his 7th year to get elected. If you told me one of them used and the other didn't, my money would be on Pudge based on what Canseco wrote about him and him saying 'Only God knows' in regarda to whether he used or not.

While he wasn't busted ala Clemens, Manny, Sosa, I'm suspicious. Hence why I wouldn't vote for him. Yet there was also suspicion for Piazza and Bagwell. They've waited. While none of the busted users have come close before this year.

This whole fiasco screams cherry picking.

I would think it has to do with the fact that Pudge was FAR superior at his position than Bagwell was at his. I think it's easier to stick to your values when excluding a "borderline" HOFer than one of the best of all time, unless those "best" happen to be arrogant, miserable SOB's like Clemens and Bonds.

Topps206 · #13 01-17-2017, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by dgo71

I will never understand why Schilling gets so much HOF talk. In 20 years he had 6 seasons I'd consider spectacular. That's including 3 years in Philly when he had great seasons with a bad team. Outside of those and his 3 20-game win seasons (none of which garnered him a Cy Young Award, he finished 2nd each time) his career was positively average at best. Being dominant in 15% of your career and only good the rest of the time doesn't scream HOFer to me. I guess the argument could be made that less deserving players are already in but I don't believe past mistakes should condone making repeated mistakes.

If you like WAR, he has that.

Only one presumably clean pitcher has 3000 strikeouts, eligible for the Hall and not in, that's Schilling.

Outside of the surprise pennant in 1993, the Phillies didn't do much. He was the 1990s version of Felix Hernandez, if you ask me. The game has evolved considerably from when he pitched in Philly.

Don't forget the 123 ERA+.

Curt Schilling the person belongs in the Hall of Shame. Curt Schilling the pitcher belongs in the Hall of Fame.

packs · #14 01-17-2017, 11:30 AM

Schilling was never Felix Hernandez. No one watched Schilling pitch with Baltimore or Philadelphia and called him a king. Felix was seen as the heir apparent the second he stepped on to the mound at 19 years old. Schilling has nothing in common with him.

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