$OLD pet peeve

[PhillipAbbott79]

Originally Posted by ajjohnsonsoxfan

I understand your point but find it laughable that the seller in your scenario above would be at a disadvantage. A deal will be made or not regardless of the buyer knowing the price paid (which btw they usually do to Jesse's point above). It's up to the seller to negotiate his price based on what he thinks he can maximize from the market with knowledge that most buyers are trying to get the best deal. If the cards worth $30k who gives an Eff that I paid $15k? Totally irrelevant to the negotiation. I could have received the card from a long lost uncle Joe for free, does that mean I'm more susceptible to selling it for less than its worth? Maybe. But that's the buyer's job to find out. Going back and erasing asking prices is silly

It is not laughable and it is not irrelevant. You could have gotten it from a cousin, but that is not the scenario we are dealing with. The entire thread is about a "BUY Price". being cataloged with an image of the card meaning you paid money for it, and it is documented.

On big cards, yea, sometimes you don't want to sit on the card forever. Sometimes you "HAVE" to move the card and get your money back. "Moving" the card at your price becomes harder when say 80 to 90 percent of the people that want the card know what you paid for it. To think it isn't relevant is ridiculous. The entire concept of pricing is based on previous sales. Lack of previous sales allow for a truly free market on the card( meaning don't base your price based on what others paid for it, base it on what it is worth to you). Humans have this ridiculous need to draw assimilation to make sense of something. It is programmed right into our brains.

Multiple potential buyers seeing the sale price in a highly volatile and subjective makes selling it hard. My claim here is not really subjective and open to interpretation. IT DOES MAKE IT HARDER. I have done it, have you?

Do you sell cards or just buy them? How common are the ones you are selling. Mid century Topps PSA 3's and 4's are we talking rare, super hard to find niche market cards in top grade. Cards that basically only sell at auction? Cards that have a fear about what they may bring, hence your buyers may back out and wait for it to go to auction kind of cards?

Your entire premise of leaving the prices up are solely so you know how to price a card. When I am wanting to make a profit, I don't want you to use my pricing to price my card. This isn't a hard concept to understand.

[orly57]

1. VCP gets paid to do exactly what you guys are trying to avoid: (gasp) tell the world how much you paid for a card.
2. I personally love having card prices (particularly on ultra-rare stuff) cataloged and listed, both as a buyer and a seller. So many deals go on behind the scenes in private sales with rare cards that vcp is often left in the dust. I know of cards that sold publicly at 5k and later sold for over 30k privately a year later. If I wanted to buy OR sell another example of that card, I think it is vital to know what it sold for privately.
3. If the guy you are selling the card to says "but you only paid X for it," he is just as likely to quote you the vcp anyway, so who cares?

[PhillipAbbott79]

Originally Posted by orly57

1. VCP gets paid to do exactly what you guys are trying to avoid: (gasp) tell the world how much you paid for a card.
2. I personally love having card prices (particularly on ultra-rare stuff) cataloged and listed, both as a buyer and a seller. So many deals go on behind the scenes in private sales with rare cards that vcp is often left in the dust. I know of cards that sold publicly at 5k and later sold for over 30k privately a year later. If I wanted to buy OR sell another example of that card, I think it is vital to know what it sold for privately.
3. If the guy you are selling the card to says "but you only paid X for it," he is just as likely to quote you the vcp anyway, so who cares?

Of course you do. You want to be in the game, without spending a lot of time to acquire niche knowledge that professionals use to make their profits and as professionals, they want there to be less of them so there is room to make the profits they need.

Revert back to my last post. The last thing I want you doing is justifying your offer on my purchase price when I am trying to make a profit on a card. This is not hard to understand.

On rare stuff, lots of things don't make it into VCP. There is simply no category for them. Think about how to price all of the t206 errors, miscuts, oddities. There is nothing to go, on other than the past sales of that exact card.

[orly57]

"Of course you do. You want to be in the game, without spending a lot of time to acquire niche knowledge that professionals use to make their profits..."


It is like you are staring into my soul.

[rainier2004]

If you are trying to sell something truly rare, a dozen copies or less, and there hasn't been a public sale in years, I do NOT want my purchase of the card out there. I have had this used against me in these scenarios, I can call them all the names I want but in the end I want their money. I have spent years chasing cards following private sales as none make it to public auction. It is a lot of work and all the scenarios are different. Selling is completely different if you HAVE to sell the card versus not.

Its just hard to believe that some people simply cannot understand the opposite side here. I understand you want your info, you think we are silly but we disagree...and that is ok. No one is ripping someone off or even being rude.

[orly57]

There is an obvious dividing-line on this issue between guys who sell for a living and guys who are primarily collectors who sell on occasion. I don't think either side is necessarily wrong here. My point is, who cares if we know what you paid for a '48-49 Leaf Jackie PSA 3 on the board? We all know the card sells in the neighborhood of $1,500.00. Ebay, VCP, and auction results tell us as much. But I am sure that you guys, as sellers, have your reasons. No one is wrong here. Just a lively discussion is all.

[rainier2004]

Originally Posted by orly57

There is an obvious dividing-line on this issue between guys who sell for a living and guys who are primarily collectors who sell on occasion. I don't think either side is necessarily wrong here. My point is, who cares if we know what you paid for a '48-49 Leaf Jackie PSA 3 on the board? We all know the card sells in the neighborhood of $1,500.00. Ebay, VCP, and auction results tell us as much. But I am sure that you guys, as sellers, have your reasons. No one is wrong here. Just a lively discussion is all.

I am not a dealer, I hate selling cards and rarely do. And you are right, who cares about a card that always has examples on ebay...if there were only 8 copies of that card and you had one you may feel differently.

[orly57]

Originally Posted by rainier2004

I am not a dealer, I hate selling cards and rarely do. And you are right, who cares about a card that always has examples on ebay...if there were only 8 copies of that card and you had one you may feel differently.

Not if it goes for big money! And if it doesn't, then my card ISN'T WORTH BIG BUCKS, and such is life!!!!!!!!! You gotta take the good with the bad. I collect rare cobb postcards. If someone sold a Cobb postcard on here that I also own, and it goes for huge money, then great: I want the world to know. And if it does NOT, then that is the market, and I don't care to hide it from everyone in hopes I can scam them later. I am done with this topic, but have at it.

[PhillipAbbott79]

Originally Posted by rainier2004

If you are trying to sell something truly rare, a dozen copies or less, and there hasn't been a public sale in years, I do NOT want my purchase of the card out there. I have had this used against me in these scenarios, I can call them all the names I want but in the end I want their money. I have spent years chasing cards following private sales as none make it to public auction. It is a lot of work and all the scenarios are different. Selling is completely different if you HAVE to sell the card versus not.

Its just hard to believe that some people simply cannot understand the opposite side here. I understand you want your info, you think we are silly but we disagree...and that is ok. No one is ripping someone off or even being rude.

Exactly this. Yes.

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

I think everyone understands your point. And yes I buy and sell as a hobbyist but am not a dealer which sounds like you might be. My point is that the community good from the knowledge gained by all should trump your fear of your buyer knowing a historical price offered