What the hell is the deal with this PWCC auction

[botn]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Look at the bidding history. And in particular retractions.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/142398384790...p2471758.m4703

http://www.ebay.com/bfl/viewbids/142...p2047675.l2565

Just another day at the office in Oregon. But I am sure if you had taken the time to tell Brent rather than embarrassing him here I am sure he would get on it immediately.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by botn

Just another day at the office in Oregon. But I am sure if you had taken the time to tell Brent rather than embarrassing him here I am sure he would get on it immediately.

I guess it got past that full time checker. As did all those folks with more than 10 retractions bidding on Jordans from a post a short while back.

[botn]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I guess it got past that full time checker. As did all those folks with more than 10 retractions bidding on Jordans from a post a short while back.

Well it is a good thing the full time checker only missed this Roby and a Jordan auction. I am sure that person got all the others who are manipulating his auctions.

Keep doing what you are doing Brent. I think the hobby supports you.

[PhillipAbbott79]

It looks like 1..3 had a high bid in, then 4..A bid and found out the number was high but got outbid.

Then again to match, they retracted the bid that was bid up. Then 4..A attempted again at 50k and the bid up price was again redacted.

Yea. How does a retraction go under the radar 2 to 4 times, let alone being over the 'limit' on retractions.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by PhillipAbbott79

Yea. How does a retraction go under the radar 2 to 4 times, let alone being over the 'limit' on retractions.

I would guess they go under the radar because they are the ones "supporting" Brent.

[1952boyntoncollector]

At least ebay allows you to see these things...imagine what goes on in the other houses where you have no idea about who 'outbid' you.

With pwcc's new rules in place, if you 'win' the item im sure they will let you back out of it if someone retracted a bid making you the high bidder..or if your bid is higher than any bid that was placed by a later bid retracter.

In addition, even if there arent any bid retractions in a specific auction but the bidding involves bidders with 10 retractions for example in the last 6 months,i would imagine pwcc will also let you out of your 'winning' bid.

until pwcc enforces someone to actually buy the item in an auction involving a bid retractor person..its sort of a non issue

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

At least ebay allows you to see these things...imagine what goes on in the other houses where you have no idea about who 'outbid' you.

With pwcc's new rules in place, if you 'win' the item im sure they will let you back out of it if someone retracted a bid making you the high bidder..or if your bid is higher than any bid that was placed by a later bid retracter.

In addition, even if there arent any bid retractions in a specific auction but the bidding involves bidders with 10 retractions for example in the last 6 months,i would imagine pwcc will also let you out of your 'winning' bid.

until pwcc enforces someone to actually buy the item in an auction involving a bid retractor person..its sort of a non issue

What rules? The current high bidder on the Robinson has 14 retractions in 6 months and Brent (Betsy) is explaining that they are legit because they have spent a lot of money with PWCC.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

What rules? The current high bidder on the Robinson has 14 retractions in 6 months and Brent (Betsy) is explaining that they are legit because they have spent a lot of money with PWCC.

right if they spent 40k that wouldnt of been enough but 60k is enough

Still, if you or I ended up winning that auction and we then asked to be let go of the obligation with no recourse and they allowed it, its still a non issue to me....at least there is transparency sort of in ebay auction....with ZERO in other auctions..

If people started backing out (beep beep) of their 'wins' due to bid retractions, i do believe pwcc would police it more...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

right if they spent 40k that wouldnt of been enough but 60k is enough

Still, if you or I ended up winning that auction and we then asked to be let go of the obligation with no recourse and they allowed it, its still a non issue to me....at least there is transparency sort of in ebay auction....with ZERO in other auctions..

If people started backing out (beep beep) of their 'wins' due to bid retractions, i do believe pwcc would police it more...

I don't know how much is enough, but if you are going to make a big deal about your supposed 10 retraction policy, then enforce it and don't make exceptions for people who spend a lot of money with you, as that completely undercuts your credibility.

[oldjudge]

Forget the retractions, why would anyone pay $22,000 for a 1965 Frank Robinson card? This is insanity.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Forget the retractions, why would anyone pay $22,000 for a 1965 Frank Robinson card? This is insanity.

They aren't paying for the card, they are paying for the flip, Jay.

[orly57]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

They aren't paying for the card, they are paying for the flip, Jay.

Peter, you are on fire today. 👏👏👏

[spaidly]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Forget the retractions, why would anyone pay $22,000 for a 1965 Frank Robinson card? This is insanity.

OMG. So much this ^^^^^^^^^^^

[iowadoc77]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Forget the retractions, why would anyone pay $22,000 for a 1965 Frank Robinson card? This is insanity.

For my #1 PSA registry set, of course.

[mechanicalman]

What's the over/under that this card will be featured in a PSA ad in their SMR magazine where it shows the ungraded value at $4 and a graded value at $34,582.

[Beastmode]

A new level or retractivism. Retracting within a bid while have over 10 retractions in the last 10 months. And still high bidder........

[Fred]

I wish I had unlimited resources. I'd buy the damn thing, crack it out in front of a video camera with a bunch of "reputable" witnesses that know nothing about card collecting. I would then submit the card to PSA for grading. Since it's me, I'm going to guess I can guarantee a 9 grade and maybe a 9.5 grade. Then I'd put it back to auction and see what it gets. Then I'd publish exactly what occurred and show everyone just how stupid this hobby has become.

[Jay Wolt]

Originally Posted by Fred

I would then submit the card to PSA for grading. Since it's me, I'm going to guess I can guarantee a 9 grade and maybe a 9.5 grade.

PSA doesn't have a 9.5 grade