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Old 07-23-2017, 09:18 AM
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he should, greatest defensive OF'er of all time (and it's not even close) 400 homers, top 10 in CF WAR.

Higher career fWAR than Duke Snider, Andre Dawson, Richie Ashburn.


anyone who is one of the ten best at their position ,all time, should be in the HOF.
I am not arguing the merits, I am just saying a .254 hitting outfielder will not get in, in my opinion. He really fell off the table at age 30, I can't remember now was it injury?
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Maz was a poor choice. He was a great fielder, but also a lousy hitter. I think that the home run made a big difference. FWIW, after he was elected the hall changed the way the vet's committee works, making it much harder for them to elect players.
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Maz was a poor choice. He was a great fielder, but also a lousy hitter. I think that the home run made a big difference. FWIW, after he was elected the hall changed the way the vet's committee works, making it much harder for them to elect players.


Think he was offended? - or just glad to be in?


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Maz was a poor choice. He was a great fielder, but also a lousy hitter. I think that the home run made a big difference. FWIW, after he was elected the hall changed the way the vet's committee works, making it much harder for them to elect players.
I agree 58th in career 2b fWAR

82 wRC+ is 18% below avg hitter

according to fangraphs' DEF stat he is 3rd all time at 2b with 200.5

Maz was a pretty poor choice who I indeed think was buttressed by one home run.. which is pretty lame really. They already had a display about that home run so it could be celebrated without heavily lowering the HOF standard by putting him on.
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I agree 58th in career 2b fWAR

82 wRC+ is 18% below avg hitter

according to fangraphs' DEF stat he is 3rd all time at 2b with 200.5

Maz was a pretty poor choice who I indeed think was buttressed by one home run.. which is pretty lame really. They already had a display about that home run so it could be celebrated without heavily lowering the HOF standard by putting him on.
Then again Schoendienst got in too, his JAWS puts him at 36th at second base, behind such luminaries as Tony Phillips and Chuck Knoblauch.
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I am not arguing the merits, I am just saying a .254 hitting outfielder will not get in, in my opinion. He really fell off the table at age 30, I can't remember now was it injury?
he started having knee issues.

HOWEVER, he was in MLB at age 19. If he had come up at 22 and played until 38 would anyone have an issue? Instead it was 19-35ish and people think he crashed.

and batting avg? c'mon man, not even the voters use that any more. (and the few that did were purged)
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he started having knee issues.

HOWEVER, he was in MLB at age 19. If he had come up at 22 and played until 38 would anyone have an issue? Instead it was 19-35ish and people think he crashed.

and batting avg? c'mon man, not even the voters use that any more. (and the few that did were purged)
He basically did nothing after age 30 though. Up to that point he had phenomenal numbers.
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still, top 10 CF'er all time, one of the 3 or 4 best defenders of all time at any position. that has to mean something.

Koufax left early......
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still, top 10 CF'er all time, one of the 3 or 4 best defenders of all time at any position. that has to mean something.

Koufax left early......
Yeah, he did, as did Jim Brown, but they left on top as legends. Andruw left with five horrible seasons including two under .200. We'll see, time will tell I guess.
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Yeah, he did, as did Jim Brown, but they left on top as legends. Andruw left with five horrible seasons including two under .200. We'll see, time will tell I guess.


see Steve Carlton?
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Schendienst being in is as much about his post-playing career as it was what he did while he was on the field.
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see Steve Carlton?
Not at all analogous, a few garbage seasons at an advanced age. Jones fell apart at 30. Plus are you seriously comparing a 329 game winner with 4 CYAs to Andruw Jones in terms of Hall qualifications?
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