Mastro Auctions: Looking for Former Employees

Leon · #1 05-04-2018, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mantlefan

Impressive post, Kenny. The Law is a very interesting field and I respect your ability to clarify this issue. Some compensation should have been given to the victims. Lacking that, we have no recourse except to seek out Mr. Theotakis and advise him of our displeasure with his confessed crimes.

Dude, you keep saying you want to meet Theo to tell him off, but you might want to just leave it alone.

Peter_Spaeth · #2 05-04-2018, 08:17 AM

Kenny fine but I bet I could find lots of cases citing this or similar principles too and not just in a contract context:

Restatement (Second) of Contracts � 352 (1981) states: “Damages are not recoverable for loss beyond an amount that the evidence permits to be established with reasonable certainty.”

Anyhow, we have strayed I think from the topic. I have no doubt that however calculated a substantial aggregate loss was involved here.

jerrys · #3 05-04-2018, 09:34 AM

What is overlooked in the Mastro Auction case is that consignors of lots in those auctions independently took the opportunity to merge with the ongoing fraud by joining with a partner to shill bid their lots. These consignor/shill bidder teams have significantly enriched themselves while evading exposure or penalty.

mantlefan · #4 05-05-2018, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon

Dude, you keep saying you want to meet Theo to tell him off, but you might want to just leave it alone.

Leon, not sure why you seem to be defending this scumbag. And last time I checked, I don’t need your permission to speak to someone in Cleveland, dude.

If he were out of sight, I would never go looking for him.

But, if he’s sitting at HA accepting consignments, well yeah then me and a few of my buds are going to ask him about the money he stole from us. If someone who admitted cheating you and stealing from you, is prancing around in front of you, Leon, wouldn’t you want a few words with him..... ??

Leon · #5 05-05-2018, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by mantlefan

Leon, not sure why you seem to be defending this scumbag. And last time I checked, I don�t need your permission to speak to someone in Cleveland, dude.

If he were out of sight, I would never go looking for him.

But, if he�s sitting at HA accepting consignments, well yeah then me and a few of my buds are going to ask him about the money he stole from us. If someone who admitted cheating you and stealing from you, is prancing around in front of you, Leon, wouldn�t you want a few words with him..... ??

I am not defending what he, or the others, did. It was wrong. I have already told him what I thought as we spoke at the last National. I stated my other thoughts above. Say what you want to, it's America.

mantlefan · #6 05-05-2018, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon

I am not defending what he, or the others, did. It was wrong. I have already told him what I thought as we spoke at the last National. I stated my other thoughts above. Say what you want to, it's America.

So, you�re allowed to sit down and talk to him and tell him what you thought, but I can�t? I should �leave it alone�. And 30-40 other victims also don�t have that right? Wait and see dude.

Leon · #7 05-05-2018, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by mantlefan

So, you�re allowed to sit down and talk to him and tell him what you thought, but I can�t? I should �leave it alone�. And 30-40 other victims also don�t have that right? Wait and see dude.

As far as I know everyone has a right to do what they want to do.
I had written a different message in the other post then edited it to be nicer. Nice is always good

"Leave it alone" sounded better than what I had said originally.
That said, I could care less if you speak with Mark or not. I don't need to wait as there is nothing to see. Happy collecting.

mq711 · #8 05-05-2018, 08:17 AM

Makes me wonder if he wasn't "rewarded" with a job for being a good boy and not naming names as he went to jail.

Stonepony · #9 05-05-2018, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by mq711

Makes me wonder if he wasn't "rewarded" with a job for being a good boy and not naming names as he went to jail.

That's a pretty strong statement
Probably warrants a full name by your post

slipk1068 · #10 05-05-2018, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by mq711

Makes me wonder if he wasn't "rewarded" with a job for being a good boy and not naming names as he went to jail.

Indeed. I also suspect many of his defenders were involved in shilling their own auctions. It is tough to slam someone who was your partner in crime.

It is also possible that the auction records that went missing were chosen to protect certain people. That would be pretty good leverage to make sure someone doesn't testify against you or speak negatively of you. It would be amazing to see those missing auction records.

Leon · #11 05-05-2018, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by slipk1068

Indeed. I also suspect many of his defenders were involved in shilling their own auctions. It is tough to slam someone who was your partner in crime.

It is also possible that the auction records that went missing were chosen to protect certain people. That would be pretty good leverage to make sure someone doesn't testify against you or speak negatively of you. It would be amazing to see those missing auction records.

How about starting your post with "once upon a time?"
I for one wasn't involved in anything except getting ripped off too, so the facts show (of which were recovered of course). Back then I didn't sell much at all.
Maybe those missing records would show your involvement? Who knows but to say people shilled because they have an opinion is quite speculative at best. I know I didn't shill...

ps..>Dave B., above, got ya' covered.

calvindog · #12 05-06-2018, 11:18 AM

Huge amount of misinformation in this thread about the Mastro case, the participants in the fraud, restitution, etc. The stated amount of loss was a fraction of what truly occurred due in part to very conservative calculations by the feds and the fact that Mastro destroyed so many years of records -- solely to hide their crimes.

Here's two things you all need to read:

Mastro shill bidding list: http://haulsofshame.com/blog/wp-cont...l-bid-list.pdf

Mastro, et al. indictment: https://www.justice.gov/archive/usao...pr0725_01a.pdf

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