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can someone
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Wow, do I feel terrible for T206 Collector and everyone else who has been duped. I cannot figure out autographs at all. Fakes, fakes and fakes. Why do people believe in all these miraculously signed items? I don't believe Spence can do it and I don't think SGC can do it. You can pick some bad fakes out, but oh it looks similar enough to a known example, so it's real? That's not proof of anything.
I have very high hopes in Brian that he will help unmask the forger...and hopefully Verkmann will help as well. I would love to see SGC offer up the name of those who consigned these items...and help be part of the solution. Please! Mac Wubben |
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I was always blown away that JSA and SGC slabbed these cards that were clearly never signed by Rube Marquard. The signatures are much different, and probably signed by his wife. How did they not catch that or at least indicate on the slab that it was signed by his wife.
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Unless you are personally witnessing the signing of the card, there is no way that you, or any expert can ever be 100% sure it is not a fake. Trained artists can fake any signature, and if you don't believe that you are being naive.
Expert opinions are just that, opinions. |
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Also, I'm seeing a trend. All of the ones that have been discovered (minus the raw Marquard one) all have the newer SGC red label with the watermark.
Now that doesn't mean that the signed cards that have the older SGC slabs are truly authentic but this could be a better indicator. In my opinion it's way too easy to forge a ballpoint pen and sharpie signature, but the old faded fountain pen signatures may be a little harder to forge nowadays...although not impossible. And just because we can't find the card on Worthpoint doesn't mean the auto cards are in the clear. Worthpoint obviously doesn't account for cards acquired at shows and cards at auction houses. Worthpoint only covers ebay.
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Marquard passed away in 1980. I used to write to HOFers back in the 70s and I have some of his signatures from the mid-late 70s. Many of the signatures later in his life showed signs of someone that did not have a very steady hand.
He'd have been in his mid to late 80's when he signed the 3x5 cards and HOF Plaque cards. I'm pretty sure the signatures I have were signed by him because why would someone sign it really jittery... My guess is that any signatures that are fairly clean are from pre-mid 70s. I'd have to figure that if he signed a few this year they'd be really shakey signatures....not like the pretty signatures that someone else wrote for him this year.... This is getting pretty deep.
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This seems very unlikely to be faked; The signature on front is faded/streaky and oddly located. The writing on back is too much for someone who's faking to add, plus a second signature. Plus the card itself seems a little too damaged: pinhole plus creases just looks natural.
It's like buying a photograph signed with an inscription to someone: less likely to be faked because the limit on people interested in purchasing it.
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Man this is wild. Great job uncovering all this. With how much this is going to cost, I wonder if these TPGs will just stop grading signed T206s. Obviously there are more valuable autographed items, but a signed Billy Sullivan T206 is pretty obscure. Has to be tough to offer an opinion on a card like that and feel great about it.
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If people will consistently pay you to do something you don't have the expertise to do, then most people will keep on taking the money. 'Transparent ineptitude' is fine.
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If anyone has a card they want to check against auction records at Worthpoint or anywhere else, or wants the community to help check, we need at a minimum, the auction date (when you purchased it but preferably when it was first sold) and the back type. This is to narrow down the immense amount of cards in the search results. It gets the results down from around 1,000 to a more manageable 2-300.
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Purchased my first signed T206 at REA a month ago - 10/28/18. This has a Piedmont 150 back. Any concerns with this one?
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I feel terrible for collectors impacted by this. There is just so much fraud in the hobby.
This board is just amazing with the detective work by members to try and stamp out scammers.
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Is there a cert date for the autograph authentication?
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If we could only track this account down, it will have a list of all the cards he purchased around this same time period. It could reveal his entire body of work. |
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Can't we simply ask the Seller "Who purchased this card from you?"
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Livingstone Buyer Feedback.jpg Last edited by Pat R; 11-30-2018 at 07:25 PM. |
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Not to point out the obvious, but it's amazing the only reason this guy got caught is because he was using lower grade encapsulated cards that could easily be traced.
Why somebody skilled enough with forging who was able to get away with this for several years wasn't digging up easily obtained lower grade raw versions of these same players I'll never know. It's almost arrogant. Could only imagine how many of these are out there that will never get matched up with the original card. Also, this thread has got me thinking it's about time I stopped being cheap and finally signed up with Worthpoint. |
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Just plain greed. A passable looking raw card might go for a VG price or a little less to someone hoping for a VG or VG-Ex if they're lucky. A graded 10 will usually be less. |
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Any luck contacting the original EBay seller?
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Sorry guys, couldn't help myself. Some mildly NSFW language and probably not the classiest thing I've ever done.
Sorry, couldn't figure out how to upload this to Youtube and keep the captions. http://captiongenerator.com/1198202/...raphed-Mystery Last edited by D. Bergin; 12-02-2018 at 03:32 AM. |
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Ok the authorities have been told but are they gonna do anything? Coaches corners have been selling fake autos for many years and the authorities could care less. And im sure they've sold a lot more dollar amounts in fakes then what the T206s have sold for.
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I think this is different than CC. Here there is rock-solid proof that the T206s were signed within the past few years. Unless the forger's lawyer is Perry Mason, he will have a doozy of a time getting out of this one.
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The irony of all this is that a bad signature in a slab is more marketable, and therefore more valuable, than a genuine signature raw. I'm not sure if the goal is to get it right, or simply to keep the market running smoothly.
And it's the same with baseball cards. An altered card in an 8 holder is worth a ton, while an unadulterated raw card is almost impossible to sell. It's an amazing state of affairs. |
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Anybody with a ten dollar Bob Feller autograph leave the room (only three guys left). Hilarious
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I'm glad I only paid $5.00 for my Bob Feller autograph or I would have had to leave the room before it was over.
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+1000, well done!
“He doesn’t know Elmer Flick is your father” lol |
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Hmmm, I guess SGC stands for Sacred Grading Cow. Didn't they slab 8 of these before going to auction? PSA slabbed 1. Reminds me of the old NCAA joke headline: "UNC cited for 100 recruiting violations: UNC-Greensboro being put on probation."
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Dave- your film is brilliant, and I have to say it sums up the state of this hobby better than just about anything I've heard so far.
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Morning Joe
That Hitler video was a great way to enjoy the morning coffee!! Nicely done!!
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Hahaha. I love those stupid borders too.
If I was one to submit cards for grading, this would certainly be the end of that. I feel lucky to prefer raw cards. I invite others to join me in not collecting scared.
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“ Don’t cry, he doesn’t know Elemer Flick is your dad”
Greeeaaattt stuff!! Last edited by Stonepony; 12-02-2018 at 09:27 AM. Reason: Typo |
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Now that was funny. ....."Max Schmeling warned me of this".... Are you kidding me? Great!!!
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The Great Stuttgart find of ‘38.
I just laughed so loud my cat was startled upstairs!
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Finally something we can laugh about in this post.
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That was awesome!
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Genius is the word that popped into my head as well! |
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This is amazing! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Those captions went perfectly with the reaction shots of the Hitler entourage. You can just feel that guy's discomfort when the Fuhrer announces his intention to collect 1975 Topps...the hand to the gut, then loosening the collar.
Man, this was beyond classic for us vintage folks, and perfect commentary and a nice break from the T206 fake autograph fiasco. Brian |
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