Fake Signed T206 Cards (Too Many to List in the Title, See First Post for List)

[SetBuilder]

Originally Posted by Pat R

No surprise here same buyer on the Livingstone.

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There should be a copy of that feedback on the buyer's "feedback left for others" tab.

If we could only track this account down, it will have a list of all the cards he purchased around this same time period. It could reveal his entire body of work.

[Bpm0014]

Can't we simply ask the Seller "Who purchased this card from you?"

[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by Bpm0014

Can't we simply ask the Seller "Who purchased this card from you?"

Yes, but they may be reluctant to give out that information. I'm just surprised that one of the sellers here hasn't checked their feedback to see if they sold to the identified bidders. Although that may mean the bidder reads this forum and avoided sellers that post here.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by SetBuilder

There should be a copy of that feedback on the buyer's "feedback left for others" tab.

If we could only track this account down, it will have a list of all the cards he purchased around this same time period. It could reveal his entire body of work.

Here's the Feedback the seller left the buyer on the Livingstone.

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[Pat R]

Not a great scan but I think this is the Baker.

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[SetBuilder]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Not a great scan but I think this is the Baker.

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WOW!!! Yes it is.

[T206Collector]

Which means that PSA has now also missed...



...and now we're up in the big bucks ($24,000):

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...e?itemid=53245

[Jasonxmay]

Wow. That one was mine. I bought it through REA in 2015. It had JSA authentication at the time, and I subsequently had PSA authenticate it.

Originally Posted by T206Collector

Which means that PSA has now also missed...



...and now we're up in the big bucks ($24,000):

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...e?itemid=53245

[jad22]

Somebody should check the 2013 Heritage ones.

[ATP]

Originally Posted by Jasonxmay

Wow. That one was mine. I bought it through REA in 2015. It had JSA authentication at the time, and I subsequently had PSA authenticate it.

Wow, I am speechless. As someone who deals in autographs, this seriously makes my heart hurt. I currently only own one signed T206 , and the owner of it before me (board member) had it since the 1980's. I've always felt it was authentic but alas it never passed TPA. Now I see all of these recently created ones and it makes me sick to my stomach.

[t206kid]

This so bad for the hobby on so many levels. T206 autos are such a cool rarity. These are my two both bought from well known net54ers. Don't have any doubts, but if anyone wants to do detective work I would appreciate it.

Snodgrass is Polar Bear and Doyle is Sweet Cap 350-460 42 overprint.

[CuriousGeorge]

I am sure this goes well beyond T206’s. I was planning to bid on a few in the upcoming Memory Lane auction and of course now won’t even consider it.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Jasonxmay

Wow. That one was mine. I bought it through REA in 2015. It had JSA authentication at the time, and I subsequently had PSA authenticate it.

Re: PSA cert and following numbers, here was the submitter for that group.

[Jasonxmay]

I submitted the Baker along with around 30 of my most valuable cards at the Chicago Sun Times show. The other t206s that were mentioned earlier were part of that submission.

Originally Posted by swarmee

Re: PSA cert and following numbers, here was the submitter for that group.

[atx840]

I think this is your Murray. Do you have a back scan. Mar 5, 2015

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by atx840

I think this is your Murray. Do you have a back scan. Mar 5, 2015

That’s definitely it. Well done. I have to pull these little pieces of criminal evidence out of my safe deposit box (a lot of good that extra layer of protection did them) to see the back, but will scan and post it here.

Thanks again for all the hard work everybody.

[T206Collector]

Found a post of mine from October 2015, which is very hard for me to read. But you can see my surprise about the onslaught of new signed T206 cards to hit the hobby. I mention and cite a Carrigan from Clean Sweep that ought to be looked at as well. So sad. I was so excited at the time.

Edited to note: the Speaker has been known to the hobby for over a decade and should not be tarred by the fact that it came up for sale at this time.

Originally Posted by T206Collector

Now that the dust has settled, I wanted to discuss the absolute flurry of signed T206 cards that have been popping up in different recent auctions -- a whopping three of which poses had never been publicly identified before (Baker, Tannehill, and Murray). I believe this to be the first time a heretofore unknown signed T206 pose has been publicized since I started tracking these wonderful little marvels back in April 2007. To have three all in the same month or so really amazed me, and hopefully is a portent of good things to come in this regard.

The cream of the crop, Tris Speaker, went for $32,310 -- -- the highest price ever recorded for an autographed T206 card at auction by thousands, exceeding the $27,600 a signed red background Cobb sold for in 2010. This beauty went in the last Goodwin Auction:

https://goodwinandco.com/LotDetail.a...entoryid=30988

An absolute steal by comparison, this beautiful Frank "Home Run" Baker went for a relatively inexpensive $9,000 to the same buyer in Robert Edward Auctions last weekend:

http://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/...x?itemid=38416

REA also had this sweet Jess Tannehill, which went for $6,600:

http://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/...x?itemid=38417

Tannehill, who died in 1956 -- the earliest of each of these five -- surpassed the highest prior sale of another signed T206 common by over $1,000, a sale which coincidentally happened three weeks ago when Hunt Auctions listed this gorgeous Red Murray:

http://huntauctions.com/phone/imagev...135&lot_num=48

But perhaps the most surprising sale of all was this signed T206 of Bill Carrigan for $2,742 in Clean Sweep Auctions. Surprising because two additional Carrigans were sold from The Great Pittsburgh Find of Signed T206 Cards that hit eBay in 2007, so this was at least the third one identified in that time, and I believe I have seen or owned one or two others.

http://www.cleansweepauctions.com/it...0519504#images

Carrigan died in 1969, which gave him three years after the publication of The Glory of Their Times to sign TTM autographs. Although Carrigan was not featured in Larry Ritter's book, the book generated substantial interest in the Deadball Era, and triggered the pursuit of many autograph collectors who were similarly inspired to track down Rube Marquard, Fred Snodgrass, and others.

This Fall has indeed been a very exciting time to be collecting autographed tobacco cards. It has also caused my wallet to hemorrhage money, as I added the Tannehill and Murray to my collection, which now includes 40 unique signed poses of T206 cards.

[Pat R]

Do you have a larger scan of the Carrigan Paul.

I think we will find out who the culprit is soon. I think I know but
I would have to be 100% sure before I would accuse someone of something
like this.