Fake Signed T206 Cards (Too Many to List in the Title, See First Post for List)

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by rommesc

Unfortunately this one from the latest Hunt Auction also belongs on the list.

before: sold unsigned on eBay by SG713 Nov 20, 2016 for $22.92, Cardtarget Link http://www.cardtarget.com/cards/160935

after:https://huntauctions.com/phone/image...162&lot_num=10

Now this one had a few people scratching their heads even before the big reveal. That was a tough signature to see, and not sure what formed the basis for the signature in any event. Doesn’t look like the other ones I have seen.

[T206Collector]

Nice piece by Rich Mueller at SCD covering this evolving nightmare.... er, story. Thanks Rich! I appreciate your broadening the audience for this fraud.

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...ed-t206-story/

[atx840]

Nice Chris, just found that one as well. So far I cant find a non signed version of yours Paul.

Unfortunately they are even faking back damage now.

https://huntauctions.com/phone/image...162&lot_num=10

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by atx840

So far I cant find a non signed version of yours Paul.

I assume you mean the Murray? I would guess the white triangular paper loss around the crease was done by the fraudster, which would make it that much tougher to uncover.

[jgmp123]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

I assume you mean the Murray? I would guess the white triangular paper loss around the crease was done by the fraudster, which would make it that much tougher to uncover.

Being an auto collector, to me this is heart wrenching. I don't collect T206...but have to ask about the condition altering of the cards; Are there specific spots on the T206 cards where a bend or spotting would be most likely?

[RichardSimon]

The right thing now is for the TPA and AH to get their evidence in order and go to the FBI. My guess is that might not happen though. They will not want the publicity which that would surely engender.

[The Nasty Nati]

I think this tarnishes JSA’s reputation pretty bad since they seem the link that had originally authenticated all of these before they were sent to PSA and SGC. Not that those TPGs are off the hook either.

But this really makes you think what other autos besides t206 did JSA miss? Chances are good the forger didn’t start out forging t206 autos until a few years ago when he or she realized the prices autograph t206s were going for. I’m sure there may be hundreds if not thousands of card autographs from after the war that were forged before or during his or hers t206 forgeries. Think Clementes, Williams, Mays, Gehrig, Ruth, you name it.

To me, no era is safe. Especially if JSA clearly doesn’t do any real hard forensic work. I’m assuming they just reference a few authentic autographs in their database and compare them and give them a thumbs up. That may have been a beneficial service before the internet but nowadays you can look up any autograph online and with just a little penmanship practice pass JSA’s and the TPG test.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

The right thing now is for the TPA and AH to get their evidence in order and go to the FBI. My guess is that might not happen though. They will not want the publicity which that would surely engender.

The FBI surely can investigate whether the TPA and AH go to them or not.

[chalupacollects]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

The right thing now is for the TPA and AH to get their evidence in order and go to the FBI. My guess is that might not happen though. They will not want the publicity which that would surely engender.

They would be better off going public and marketing it as a "see, we care to help clean things up marketing campaign we've learned from this..." rather than hiding as if they were guilty of something... Take your lumps, fix the issue and improve...

[AGuinness]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

Nice piece by Rich Mueller at SCD covering this evolving nightmare.... er, story. Thanks Rich! I appreciate your broadening the audience for this fraud.



https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...ed-t206-story/

Rich does a great wrap and analysis of the events to date, well done!


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[Cliff Bowman]

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[Peter_Spaeth]

At what point do people finally lose confidence in these authentication services for autographs?

[RedsFan1941]

at least 5 years ago?

[Orioles1954]

I bought 9 signed T206 cards between 2006 and 2008 including several from the Pennsylvania find. I no longer actively collect and sold them a few years ago. My fear is that even legit signed T206 cards have lost significant value. For those damaged I would insist that your TPG add a graded date to the flip to help mitigate any value loss. Pre-2015 signed cards would be presumably unaffected and this service should be without charge. The Morrey and Pennsylvania collections should have additional provenance on the flip.