Fake Signed T206 Cards (Too Many to List in the Title, See First Post for List)

[Fred]

Wouldn't it draw the suspicion of auction houses or TPGs if one person kept making submissions of signed T206s, 1933 Goudeys, 1952T etc? Am I missing something? Was the person selling this stuff ungraded and then the buyers were having the cards authenticated by TPGs?

Wouldn't the TPGs see this huge influx of signed cards as a possible indication that something's wrong?

[SetBuilder]

Originally Posted by Fred

Wouldn't it draw the suspicion of auction houses or TPGs if one person kept making submissions of signed T206s, 1933 Goudeys, 1952T etc? Am I missing something? Was the person selling this stuff ungraded and then the buyers were having the cards authenticated by TPGs?

Wouldn't the TPGs see this huge influx of signed cards as a possible indication that something's wrong?

From what I hear, they don't even keep scans of the cards they grade. Talk about a lack of transparency. They should be scanning and uploading each autographed card to a searchable online database. That way the hobby can connect the dots if something is wrong.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Charles, Charley, and Charlie all on one card, that's pretty good.

Some collector I am!

I didn't even notice that, Peter.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by irv

Some collector I am!

I didn't even notice that, Peter.

You may have to Chuck the card now.

[Orioles1954]

There's still a few living players from the 1952 Topps set. Not nearly as difficult as pre-war cards.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You may have to Chuck the card now.

Good one!

[egri]

Originally Posted by Orioles1954

There's still a few living players from the 1952 Topps set. Not nearly as difficult as pre-war cards.

The average 1952 Topps is easier than the average pre-war, but there are still plenty of tough signers or players whose demand far outstrips the supply. Fred Hutchinson, Vern Bickford, Vern Stephens and Howie Fox come to mind, as do a lot of the Brooklyn Dodgers.

[tazdmb]

Originally Posted by Orioles1954

There's still a few living players from the 1952 Topps set. Not nearly as difficult as pre-war cards.

Totally OT, but I having lunch Saturday with Whiz Kid, Bob Miller-who is featured in the 1952 Topps set. 92 years old and still sharp as a tact

[The Nasty Nati]

Originally Posted by tazdmb

Totally OT, but I having lunch Saturday with Whiz Kid, Bob Miller-who is featured in the 1952 Topps set. 92 years old and still sharp as a tact

Better take a picture of him signing that card because that is the only proof worthy nowadays.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by SetBuilder

From what I hear, they don't even keep scans of the cards they grade. Talk about a lack of transparency. They should be scanning and uploading each autographed card to a searchable online database. That way the hobby can connect the dots if something is wrong.

Soooo, they don't research the cards, they only reference what "known examples" they already have in their data-base, and they don't keep scans of newly submitted autos to grow said database for reference. How can you get better if you don't collect new data points? Oh, wait...you don't.

For all we know, they're comparing newly faked autos with previously faked autos...."yup, that's a match...slab it!"

[SetBuilder]

Originally Posted by conor912

Soooo, they don't research the cards, they only reference what "known examples" they already have in their data-base, and they don't keep scans of newly submitted autos to grow said database for reference. How can you get better if you don't collect new data points. Oh, wait...you don't.

For all we know, they're comparing newly faked autos with previously faked autos...."yup, that's a match...slab it!"

My theory is that once 1 fake gets through, it becomes an exemplar. After 2 fakes get through, that's 1 more exemplar, and so on...after a decade or two, the exemplar file will be completely contaminated and no one will know what's real and what's not.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You may have to Chuck the card now.

Originally Posted by irv

Good one!

Chuckle worthy

[Peter_Spaeth]

We should start a poll. Closest to guess the time the name is posted without going over wins.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

We should start a poll. Closest to guess the time the name is posted without going over wins.

6 15 pm EST

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

We should start a poll. Closest to guess the time the name is posted without going over wins.

Peter,
But what if someone knows the name and fixes this poll .

[conor912]

Originally Posted by SetBuilder

after a decade or two, the exemplar file will be completely contaminated and no one will know what's real and what's not.

...or after 3-4 years.....starting 3-4 years ago

[AGuinness]

Originally Posted by SetBuilder

My theory is that once 1 fake gets through, it becomes an exemplar. After 2 fakes get through, that's 1 more exemplar, and so on...after a decade or two, the exemplar file will be completely contaminated and no one will know what's real and what's not.

This is likely the scary truth for some subjects, although I would guess that any autographs of the most popular athletes (and others), such as Mantle, Williams and the ilk, have many verifiable examples to use as the baseline.

[AGuinness]

45 pages of posts already... and on one, somebody mentioned the experience of getting an autograph at a show, taking it to a TPG booth and it not passing.

It hit me - why the heck don't TPGs that have booths at shows offer a service to witness the auto in person and then slab it there, they could even include "WITNESSED" on the flip? I would guess there would be many people willing to shell out extra $$ for this, and it would certainly be a welcome addition for anybody looking to purchase an autograph.

[The Nasty Nati]

Originally Posted by AGuinness

45 pages of posts already... and on one, somebody mentioned the experience of getting an autograph at a show, taking it to a TPG booth and it not passing.

It hit me - why the heck don't TPGs that have booths at shows offer a service to witness the auto in person and then slab it there, they could even include "WITNESSED" on the flip? I would guess there would be many people willing to shell out extra $$ for this, and it would certainly be a welcome addition for anybody looking to purchase an autograph.

Excellent point. To me there is no greater proof than a physical witness or at the very least a picture of an athlete signing that particular item (although nowadays you can also photoshop that in).

Also, even TTM autos are a gamble. Many of those autographs are not signed by the actual athlete, but by their assistant or spouse. In the 1970s my mom worked with a high profile actress and she signed all of her autographs for her.

[Pat R]

Here's the Jesse Tannehill.

Tannehill Auto.jpg

[Powell]

I'd greatly appreciate any help on the authenticity of the signatures in my signed T 206 collection:

[itslarry]

Originally Posted by AGuinness

45 pages of posts already... and on one, somebody mentioned the experience of getting an autograph at a show, taking it to a TPG booth and it not passing.

It hit me - why the heck don't TPGs that have booths at shows offer a service to witness the auto in person and then slab it there, they could even include "WITNESSED" on the flip? I would guess there would be many people willing to shell out extra $$ for this, and it would certainly be a welcome addition for anybody looking to purchase an autograph.

They do for comics. Signature series I believe. Gets a special golden flip.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Fred

Wouldn't it draw the suspicion of auction houses or TPGs if one person kept making submissions of signed T206s, 1933 Goudeys, 1952T etc? Am I missing something? Was the person selling this stuff ungraded and then the buyers were having the cards authenticated by TPGs?

Wouldn't the TPGs see this huge influx of signed cards as a possible indication that something's wrong?

You would think that the TPA's and AH's would get suspicious.
But money trumps all else,,,,,, stuff, ethics, integrity, etc.