Ted Williams -full PSA and Green Diamond?

[Kco]

Originally Posted by shelly

Not at the very end when John Henry forged a ton of crap

Many people don’t know this, but at least it’s easy enough to Discern the JH from the genuine Ted signatures.

[robbieg]

Originally Posted by Kco

Many people don’t know this, but at least it’s easy enough to Discern the JH from the genuine Ted signatures.

Is there a good place to view JH vs. authentic Williams signatures?

[Steve D]

Originally Posted by robbieg

Is there a good place to view JH vs. authentic Williams signatures?

+1

The JH forgeries are what have kept me far away from Green Diamond stuff.


Steve

[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by Steve D

+1

The JH forgeries are what have kept me far away from Green Diamond stuff.


Steve

++++1

I'd like to add a Ted ball to my 500 HR SS Balls, but have been leery because of the stories you are all describing.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by shelly

Not at the very end when John Henry forged a ton of crap

Originally Posted by robbieg

Is there a good place to view JH vs. authentic Williams signatures?

Or even better is there a place to buy one cheap? Yes I collect weird stuff.

[guy3050]

I purchased this in the mid 90's , what do you guys think

thumbnail_IMG_1180 by Guy Bourque, on Flickr

thumbnail_IMG_1181 by Guy Bourque, on Flickr

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by robbieg

Is there a good place to view JH vs. authentic Williams signatures?

I believe this is an urban myth. I've seen these allegations for years, yet when asked for proof, no one has ever produced an example of a John Henry signed Green Diamond "Ted Williams."

Some time ago I asked the major TPAs and they do not believe that John Henry signed any Green Diamond material.

But, I believe I know how this myth started...

Back in the 1990s at a card show, John Henry was boasting to a small group of dealers that he could sign Ted's name. John Henry then proceeded to show how well he could do it and he signed "Ted Williams" on a slip of paper.

I have seen that slip of paper. It was a poor forgery that would not fool anyone familiar with Ted's signature. John Henry could not deceptively sign Ted's signature.

I believe this myth sprang from this incident when John Henry was bullsh1tt1ng a group of guys. Over time it evolved into "John Henry was a master forger and he signed Green Diamond photos."

If someone can produce examples of JH forgeries, I will be all ears and willing to re-evaluate. I have no skin in the game either way. Until then, I think it's just all talk.

[shelly]

Not true Steve. John Henry and his girlfriend sold hundreds of pieces after his dad died. I know that both PSA and JSA turned down most of the items that came out after his death.
The problem with finding such pieces is they are not on the market place.
Steve, having a sticker from Green Diamond does not make a piece authentic.
I never thought that John Henry did the forgery. In fact the only bad pieces where photos not baseballs.

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by shelly

Not true Steve. John Henry and his girlfriend sold hundreds of pieces after his dad died. I know that both PSA and JSA turned down most of the items that came out after his death.
The problem with finding such pieces is they are not on the market place.
Steve, having a sticker from Green Diamond does not make a piece authentic.
I never thought that John Henry did the forgery. In fact the only bad pieces where photos not baseballs.

Are you confident in your source on this?

One of the TPAs you mentioned specifically told me they never failed a Green Diamond and did not believe JH signed for Ted.

[Ryan1125]

If there are indeed JH examples out there, would love to add them to my exemplars if anyone can share. Like many, I have always *heard* of this, but have never seen any proof, or even highly questionable Green Diamond pieces.

[tazdmb]

Just to add to the myth is the story that John Henry once told a dealer he was selling fakes of his father, in which the dealer replied something to the fact that "I want my money back then, I bought these Green Diamonds from you".

There is a good book "The last Days of Dead Celebrities" and one the features is Ted Williams. His chef tells how horrible he felt because all day John would make Ted sign autographs, even during his last few weeks of life.

Also, here is a copy of the John Henry "Ted Williams" Forgery:

https://www.robertedwardauctions.com...-signed-sheet/

[shelly]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

Are you confident in your source on this?

One of the TPAs you mentioned specifically told me they never failed a Green Diamond and did not believe JH signed for Ted.

I said that he was not the one signing. After Ted died there was a flood of Photos sold by GD. They were not signed by Ted and you are going back to early 90's a lot of guys that worked for the TPA people are no longer there to tell you if they turned it down or not.

[MikeKam]

Like Steve, I believe the whole "John Henry signing Green Diamond items" story to be a myth. There's no evidence of such other than JH claiming he could replicate his father's signature perfectly (also showing what seems to be his infamous stubborn side) and even then, the paper Steve mentions (which I believe is the one I have attached), is quite off.

Ted signed the highest signature, John Henry the other two.