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Peter_Spaeth · #1 12-08-2018, 03:58 PM

Where do you get 63 pitchers? I see 79 as the official figure. Anyhow, I think Mussina gets in this time around.

barrysloate · #2 12-08-2018, 06:33 PM

Interesting fact about Mussina:

Yankees won the World Series in 2000 and 2009. Mussina played for them eight seasons, from 2001-2008. Bad luck I guess.

dgo71 · #3 12-08-2018, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by barrysloate

Interesting fact about Mussina:

Yankees won the World Series in 2000 and 2009. Mussina played for them eight seasons, from 2001-2008. Bad luck I guess.

Same thing that happened with Donnie Baseball.

dabigyankeeman · #4 01-11-2019, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by barrysloate

Interesting fact about Mussina:

Yankees won the World Series in 2000 and 2009. Mussina played for them eight seasons, from 2001-2008. Bad luck I guess.

Yeah, it happens. Look how many years Mattingly played for the Yankees without a championship, and the first year he is retired they win.

clydepepper · #5 01-12-2019, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by dabigyankeeman

Yeah, it happens. Look how many years Mattingly played for the Yankees without a championship, and the first year he is retired they win.

...and Nomar was traded the year the 'Sox finally won.

the 'Sox won 53 and lost 21 after the trade.

Fate is cruel sometimes.

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rats60 · #6 01-13-2019, 08:26 PM

It is not looking good for Mussina to get in this year. With 41% of the known votes, he has gained 16 votes from last year. Last year he was 49 short. The voters who remain anonymous have a tendency to voter for fewer players.

Edgar Martinez is looking good to get in. He has gained 17 votes and was only short 20 last year. It is looking like a 3 man class of Rivera, Halladay and Martinez. With Jeter the only strong candidate on next year's ballot, I would expect Mussina to join Jeter as the BBWAA 2020 HOF class.

Yastrzemski Sports · #7 01-14-2019, 04:51 AM

Mussina should definitely be in before Smoltz and maybe Glavine. If Mussina had taken a job in the NL you could lower his era a half point and he would have had 300 wins. It�s hard to believe the voters haven�t taken that into account. My guess would be that he gets in either 2020 or 21.
Edgar does appear to be closing in. To me, Edgar doesn�t belong at all. If he played a position he wouldn�t even be in the conversation. Players career stats most comparable to him are Will Clark, Magglio Ordonez and Moises Alou. He had 2200 hits and 300 hr with no other real accolades. If you have a ballot I don�t know how you vote for Edgar before Fred McGriff, Jeff Kent and Larry Walker.
I expect Mariano and Halladay will sail in and they should.

rats60 · #8 01-14-2019, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Yastrzemski Sports

Mussina should definitely be in before Smoltz and maybe Glavine. If Mussina had taken a job in the NL you could lower his era a half point and he would have had 300 wins. It�s hard to believe the voters haven�t taken that into account. My guess would be that he gets in either 2020 or 21.
Edgar does appear to be closing in. To me, Edgar doesn�t belong at all. If he played a position he wouldn�t even be in the conversation. Players career stats most comparable to him are Will Clark, Magglio Ordonez and Moises Alou. He had 2200 hits and 300 hr with no other real accolades. If you have a ballot I don�t know how you vote for Edgar before Fred McGriff, Jeff Kent and Larry Walker.
I expect Mariano and Halladay will sail in and they should.

Disagree. Glavine won 2 Cy Youngs was 2nd twice and 3rd twice. Smoltz also won a Cy Young and then went to the bullpen to help the Braves as a closer and won Fireman of the Year. Because of them the Braves won their division every year from 1991-2002 (2005 for Smoltz).

Mussina finished in the top 3 of Cy Young voting once. If Mussina gets elected, only Jack Morris and Red Ruffing will have higher ERAs. The lower ERA is ridiculous. The league difference is about .25 before ignoring that the pitching was much better in the NL. Who was Mussina competing with? Clemens 91-03 and Pedro 98-04. Still he couldn't win a Cy Young, never led in ERA or WHIP. Also, his win total would have been lower in the NL. In the AL, he never got pulled for a pinch hitter.

clydepepper · #9 12-11-2018, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Where do you get 63 pitchers? I see 79 as the official figure. Anyhow, I think Mussina gets in this time around.

All stats are from BBR...not sure how they got that number.

By the way, In 2018, Edgar got 70.4 percent of the vote and Moose got 63.5

and only one player who ever got 60% never got in(*)and Gil Hodges got to that level THREE times!

I'm really surprised more people don't complain about Gil Hodges never getting in.

*- Morris got at least 60% THREE times, but got in via the Veterans-ish committee last year.
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