What is the difference between BGS and BCCG?

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by Marchillo

Exactly right. One of my buddies who just got back into the collecting world is doing a Nolan Ryan run and doing pretty well in the ungraded card game. He sends me a link to a 71 Ryan saying I can’t believe this card is a 7. I look and it’s a BCCG case so I explained the difference. It really hurts newbies in the collecting world the most.

It's a gimmick. That is exactly what they are going for - a few new people to buy 7's expecting NM cards. You would think that from a cannabilism perspective alone they would have already given up on having 3 different and confusing systems that were doing the same thing just under different labels, but no. No other grading company to my knowledge does this.

[swarmee]

At least they have the BCCG 7: Very Good or Better or whatever in large print on their label. As long as they realize the card would likely grade a 3 at other companies, what they're doing isn't dishonest. Annoying, but not deceptive.

[Fuddjcal]

Thanks for the fantastic replies to this grading company and system. The collectors are not fond of their grading system it's apparent.

Are the holders easy to break cards out or should you let the professionals do that and ifso fatso, just expect a 5 or 6 SGC/PSA for a BGGS 9? If I were to undertake such a project?

I seem to remember stabbing and creasing a perfectly good Rose rookie card in the early eighties in just a regular holder for that time period. Just crumbled the card in the trash at the time. So, I'm not too clear behind the wheel with a knife/screw driver /plastic etc...

Thanks again

[swarmee]

I have cracked probably 20 BGS/SCD holders that are tougher and 10 SGC holders that are really easy. Haven't done a BCCG one, but they're probably easier than BGS standard holders. SGC you can pry open with a butter knife along the edge. For BGS/SCD, I use pliers to snap off a corner by torquing it, then pry open with a flathead screwdriver. Only slightly bent one card out of the 30 or so I've cracked.
PSA will do it just fine if you submit as a crossover and set whatever minimum grade you'd require. As to grade you should expect, you should know how the grades look and compare to the current listed standards on the PSA website. A BCCG 9 could theoretically grade anywhere between a 6 to even a 9, possibly. Not sure how they grade for centering on BCCG, but BGS centering subgrades are tougher than the PSA grade requires. So you can take BGS 9s if you know what to look for and they'll normally cross to PSA 10 as long as the corners are sharp.

[Marchillo]

Originally Posted by swarmee

At least they have the BCCG 7: Very Good or Better or whatever in large print on their label. As long as they realize the card would likely grade a 3 at other companies, what they're doing isn't dishonest. Annoying, but not deceptive.

I’d say it’s a little deceptive for a newbie. If you know the grading scale and what they equate to it’s not, but some people see the number (my buddy) and don’t know until it’s explained.

It’s not like pretending a reprint is an original card, but it’s confusing for a newbie.

[Exhibitman]

BCCG was a concoction for the shop at home shows.

[Bigdaddy]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

BCCG was a concoction for the shop at home shows.

And I would only use a BCCG holder as a third party opinion that the card is authentic and gradable, nothing more.

Just wondering about others experience, Can we assume that a BCCG 9 would at least grade out a a PSA 7? I have occasionally seen a few vintage graded BCCG 9 that I considered purchasing but never took the chance.

[stlcardsfan]

I think my dealer friend Tony put it best in this article. "well, I don't know why" with reference to BCCG.

Keep in mind this is from 2005.

http://www.monstercards.net/columns/psa060205.html