What is the difference between BGS and BCCG?

[swarmee]

At least they have the BCCG 7: Very Good or Better or whatever in large print on their label. As long as they realize the card would likely grade a 3 at other companies, what they're doing isn't dishonest. Annoying, but not deceptive.

[Fuddjcal]

Thanks for the fantastic replies to this grading company and system. The collectors are not fond of their grading system it's apparent.

Are the holders easy to break cards out or should you let the professionals do that and ifso fatso, just expect a 5 or 6 SGC/PSA for a BGGS 9? If I were to undertake such a project?

I seem to remember stabbing and creasing a perfectly good Rose rookie card in the early eighties in just a regular holder for that time period. Just crumbled the card in the trash at the time. So, I'm not too clear behind the wheel with a knife/screw driver /plastic etc...

Thanks again

[swarmee]

I have cracked probably 20 BGS/SCD holders that are tougher and 10 SGC holders that are really easy. Haven't done a BCCG one, but they're probably easier than BGS standard holders. SGC you can pry open with a butter knife along the edge. For BGS/SCD, I use pliers to snap off a corner by torquing it, then pry open with a flathead screwdriver. Only slightly bent one card out of the 30 or so I've cracked.
PSA will do it just fine if you submit as a crossover and set whatever minimum grade you'd require. As to grade you should expect, you should know how the grades look and compare to the current listed standards on the PSA website. A BCCG 9 could theoretically grade anywhere between a 6 to even a 9, possibly. Not sure how they grade for centering on BCCG, but BGS centering subgrades are tougher than the PSA grade requires. So you can take BGS 9s if you know what to look for and they'll normally cross to PSA 10 as long as the corners are sharp.

[Marchillo]

Originally Posted by swarmee

At least they have the BCCG 7: Very Good or Better or whatever in large print on their label. As long as they realize the card would likely grade a 3 at other companies, what they're doing isn't dishonest. Annoying, but not deceptive.

I’d say it’s a little deceptive for a newbie. If you know the grading scale and what they equate to it’s not, but some people see the number (my buddy) and don’t know until it’s explained.

It’s not like pretending a reprint is an original card, but it’s confusing for a newbie.

[Exhibitman]

BCCG was a concoction for the shop at home shows.

[Bigdaddy]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

BCCG was a concoction for the shop at home shows.

And I would only use a BCCG holder as a third party opinion that the card is authentic and gradable, nothing more.

Just wondering about others experience, Can we assume that a BCCG 9 would at least grade out a a PSA 7? I have occasionally seen a few vintage graded BCCG 9 that I considered purchasing but never took the chance.

[stlcardsfan]

I think my dealer friend Tony put it best in this article. "well, I don't know why" with reference to BCCG.

Keep in mind this is from 2005.

http://www.monstercards.net/columns/psa060205.html

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by stlcardsfan

I think my dealer friend Tony put it best in this article. "well, I don't know why" with reference to BCCG.

Keep in mind this is from 2005.

http://www.monstercards.net/columns/psa060205.html

"I believe this was created so people could advertise 10s on TV and sell substandard cards. I'm not a fan of any of their services."

Yep...

[irv]

Originally Posted by swarmee

At least they have the BCCG 7: Very Good or Better or whatever in large print on their label. As long as they realize the card would likely grade a 3 at other companies, what they're doing isn't dishonest. Annoying, but not deceptive.

I disagree completely. From Beckett's site, they claim it is a 10 point grading system, just like PSA, SGC or BVG but yet they skew the numbers and go against what the norm is throughout the world with regards to that. A 10 in anyone's mind is a perfect example and the numbers below that, as anyone knows, the quality becomes less and less. It is no different than calling a woman a 10 like Bo Derek or whoever you think is worthy of the claim/title. With BCCG, a 10, 8, 6, whatever is not to the same standard, which makes one wonder why/question how this can be a 10 point grading system?

"In an effort to reach our wider audience, BCCG was created as a high-volume grading service intended to provide collectors with an attractive and affordable alternative to other graded card products.
Simplified 10-point grading scale
No internal sleeve
Quality archival protection
Sonically sealed/tamper-proof protection"

In this old post, you can actually see how their numbers compare to the norm. In my opinion, this is a 100% deceptive.
What is the purpose of this other than to deceive?
"BCCG has a completely different grading scale from any of the other grading companies including Beckett. The BCCG grading scale is:

BCCG 10 Mint or Better = BGS 9 or Better
BCCG 9 Near Mint or Better = BGS 7 or Better
BCCG 8 Excellent or Better = BGS 5 or Better
BCCG 7 Very Good or Better = BGS 3 or Better
BCCG 6 Good or Better = BGS 2 or Better
BCCG 5 Poor or Better = BGS 1 or Better"

In this older post, it sounds like you also thought the same once upon a time?
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=220046

Originally Posted by sfh24

Just wondering about others experience, Can we assume that a BCCG 9 would at least grade out a a PSA 7? I have occasionally seen a few vintage graded BCCG 9 that I considered purchasing but never took the chance.

I highly doubt it that would be the case. Like I mentioned earlier, a BCCG graded would, in most cases, likely grade out about half or less at SGC or PSA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEgaZGrf2gg

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by stlcardsfan

I think my dealer friend Tony put it best in this article. "well, I don't know why" with reference to BCCG.

Keep in mind this is from 2005.

http://www.monstercards.net/columns/psa060205.html

thanks for the link. I never remember seeing any baseball cards on TV....Good thing