What is the difference between BGS and BCCG?

Just wondering about others experience, Can we assume that a BCCG 9 would at least grade out a a PSA 7? I have occasionally seen a few vintage graded BCCG 9 that I considered purchasing but never took the chance.

[stlcardsfan]

I think my dealer friend Tony put it best in this article. "well, I don't know why" with reference to BCCG.

Keep in mind this is from 2005.

http://www.monstercards.net/columns/psa060205.html

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by stlcardsfan

I think my dealer friend Tony put it best in this article. "well, I don't know why" with reference to BCCG.

Keep in mind this is from 2005.

http://www.monstercards.net/columns/psa060205.html

"I believe this was created so people could advertise 10s on TV and sell substandard cards. I'm not a fan of any of their services."

Yep...

[irv]

Originally Posted by swarmee

At least they have the BCCG 7: Very Good or Better or whatever in large print on their label. As long as they realize the card would likely grade a 3 at other companies, what they're doing isn't dishonest. Annoying, but not deceptive.

I disagree completely. From Beckett's site, they claim it is a 10 point grading system, just like PSA, SGC or BVG but yet they skew the numbers and go against what the norm is throughout the world with regards to that. A 10 in anyone's mind is a perfect example and the numbers below that, as anyone knows, the quality becomes less and less. It is no different than calling a woman a 10 like Bo Derek or whoever you think is worthy of the claim/title. With BCCG, a 10, 8, 6, whatever is not to the same standard, which makes one wonder why/question how this can be a 10 point grading system?

"In an effort to reach our wider audience, BCCG was created as a high-volume grading service intended to provide collectors with an attractive and affordable alternative to other graded card products.
Simplified 10-point grading scale
No internal sleeve
Quality archival protection
Sonically sealed/tamper-proof protection"

In this old post, you can actually see how their numbers compare to the norm. In my opinion, this is a 100% deceptive.
What is the purpose of this other than to deceive?
"BCCG has a completely different grading scale from any of the other grading companies including Beckett. The BCCG grading scale is:

BCCG 10 Mint or Better = BGS 9 or Better
BCCG 9 Near Mint or Better = BGS 7 or Better
BCCG 8 Excellent or Better = BGS 5 or Better
BCCG 7 Very Good or Better = BGS 3 or Better
BCCG 6 Good or Better = BGS 2 or Better
BCCG 5 Poor or Better = BGS 1 or Better"

In this older post, it sounds like you also thought the same once upon a time?
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=220046

Originally Posted by sfh24

Just wondering about others experience, Can we assume that a BCCG 9 would at least grade out a a PSA 7? I have occasionally seen a few vintage graded BCCG 9 that I considered purchasing but never took the chance.

I highly doubt it that would be the case. Like I mentioned earlier, a BCCG graded would, in most cases, likely grade out about half or less at SGC or PSA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEgaZGrf2gg

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by irv

I disagree completely. From Beckett's site, they claim it is a 10 point grading system, just like PSA, SGC or BVG but yet they skew the numbers and go against what the norm is throughout the world with regards to that. A 10 in anyone's mind is a perfect example and the numbers below that, as anyone knows, the quality becomes less and less. It is no different than calling a woman a 10 like Bo Derek or whoever you think is worthy of the claim/title. With BCCG, a 10, 8, 6, whatever is not to the same standard, which makes one wonder why/question how this can be a 10 point grading system?

"In an effort to reach our wider audience, BCCG was created as a high-volume grading service intended to provide collectors with an attractive and affordable alternative to other graded card products.
Simplified 10-point grading scale
No internal sleeve
Quality archival protection
Sonically sealed/tamper-proof protection"

In this old post, you can actually see how their numbers compare to the norm. In my opinion, this is a 100% deceptive.
What is the purpose of this other than to deceive?
"BCCG has a completely different grading scale from any of the other grading companies including Beckett. The BCCG grading scale is:

BCCG 10 Mint or Better = BGS 9 or Better
BCCG 9 Near Mint or Better = BGS 7 or Better
BCCG 8 Excellent or Better = BGS 5 or Better
BCCG 7 Very Good or Better = BGS 3 or Better
BCCG 6 Good or Better = BGS 2 or Better
BCCG 5 Poor or Better = BGS 1 or Better"

In this older post, it sounds like you also thought the same once upon a time?
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=220046



I highly doubt it that would be the case. Like I mentioned earlier, a BCCG graded would, in most cases, likely grade out about half or less at SGC or PSA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEgaZGrf2gg

Thanks Irv, very helpful indeed.

[swarmee]

If people can't be bothered to read the words on the flip, that sounds like their problem, not BCCG. And the link you posted only shows that I would be disappointed getting a card graded by BCCG, not that they're scammers.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by swarmee

If people can't be bothered to read the words on the flip, that sounds like their problem, not BCCG. And the link you posted only shows that I would be disappointed getting a card graded by BCCG, not that they're scammers.

Agree technically that they are not scammers. But it is a very odd practice and overall business model. Unethical? No. Extremely frustrating? Yes.

The BCCG model is absolutely a play to the low information/less experienced collector. It is a means of getting poor condition cards into the hands of collectors who will think they have a a high quality card when they do not. It is also a tool for predatory sellers masking junk as high quality.

It is not illegal and does not impact me but they are attempting to take advantage of those who are uninformed.

Originally Posted by swarmee

If people can't be bothered to read the words on the flip, that sounds like their problem, not BCCG. And the link you posted only shows that I would be disappointed getting a card graded by BCCG, not that they're scammers.

[Rich Klein]

Adam (Exhibitman) noted the exact reason for BCCG. Without going into gruesome detail, BCCG was a great and terrible decision for BGS at the same time.

Rich

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by stlcardsfan

I think my dealer friend Tony put it best in this article. "well, I don't know why" with reference to BCCG.

Keep in mind this is from 2005.

http://www.monstercards.net/columns/psa060205.html

thanks for the link. I never remember seeing any baseball cards on TV....Good thing