T206 Honus Wagner - Not For Sale

[biggsdaddycool]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

if owner "added paint"...then removed...the card is altered...imo?

100%. Once a card has been altered there is no way to unalter it.


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[ullmandds]

additionally it appears the owner of the card is a card doctor?

[trdcrdkid]

Yeah, I'm confused too. Is the card still in the same PSA holder as in the picture? If the owner "removed the paint" (or whatever) after seeing the Altered grade, then it must have been cracked out of the holder, right? So is it now a raw card, as some on here have surmised?

Also, can we see a back scan?

[ullmandds]

seriously! trying to sell a card for $750K with no scans...really?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

seriously! trying to sell a card for $750K with no scans...really?

Or last name. Just "Dylan."

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Or last name. Just "Dylan."

I have his info but see no reason in mandating all it be public right now. Anyone interested can PM him and if there is an issue let me know. He seems like a nice enough guy from our short conversation.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Leon

I have his info but see no reason in mandating all it be public right now. Anyone interested can PM him and if there is an issue let me know. He seems like a nice enough guy from our short conversation.

I wasn't suggesting it was mandatory, I was suggesting it's lame to offer a 750K card without even putting your name behind it.

[obcmac]

He also has a Joe Jackson black Betsy bat on memorabilia side...maybe get a 2 for 1 deal?

[GottaHaveRockandRoll]

Originally Posted by trdcrdkid

Yeah, I'm confused too. Is the card still in the same PSA holder as in the picture? If the owner "removed the paint" (or whatever) after seeing the Altered grade, then it must have been cracked out of the holder, right? So is it now a raw card, as some on here have surmised?

Also, can we see a back scan?

Card is not for sale I apologize

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by GottaHaveRockandRoll

Yes, the card was slabbed altered, then taken out and the paint was removed, and then slabbed again, however the altered grade still came with it. I will get you more scans later as I said, if you are interested PM me! I am extremely busy right now and cannot be responding to the forum 24/7.

You're the one trying to sell a 750K card and you act like Adam is burdening you? Sheesh.

[SetBuilder]

Not sure how the OP thought he was just going to casually list a $700K card using a new account and not cause a fuss. I'm sure he's a legit guy at the end of all this, but he acted kind of fishy by not listing his name and posting a scan. I choose to remain anonymous here because I'm just an idiot in the grand scheme of things, but if I ever come to own one of these Wagners and list it here I'm going to put my name behind it. Just common sense.

[Leon]

The seller was banned from Blowout, the only other forum I post on, but I didn't see a smoking gun in what was going on. The barrel was a bit warm though. It is hard to believe a baseball card seller wants to sell super expensive cards but knows little about them....Caveat emptor.

[GottaHaveRockandRoll]

Originally Posted by Leon

The seller was banned from Blowout, the only other forum I post on, but I didn't see a smoking gun in what was going on. The barrel was a bit warm though. It is hard to believe a baseball card seller wants to sell super expensive cards but knows little about them....Caveat emptor.

The card is not for sale I apologize

[Corporal Lance Boil]

Originally Posted by Leon

The seller was banned from Blowout, the only other forum I post on, but I didn't see a smoking gun in what was going on. The barrel was a bit warm though. It is hard to believe a baseball card seller wants to sell super expensive cards but knows little about them....Caveat emptor.

That thread is an interesting read, and certainly worth a look. I won't link to another site but its' under Member/Trades Feedback and references a 25K Jordan collection. Due diligence.

[Yastrzemski Sports]

I would think that if I, as an employee, invested some time to fully explain and dedicated a couple of days to posting photos and answering questions to make a sale of this magnitude that it would be worth the time spent.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You're the one trying to sell a 750K card and you act like Adam is burdening you? Sheesh.

[Yastrzemski Sports]

I would think that if I, as an employee, invested some time to fully explain and dedicated a couple of days to posting photos and answering questions to make a sale of this magnitude that it would be worth the time spent. For someone with probably $1m+ worth of items, the sale could have been handled better. Once you start out on the wrong foot it’s hard to get back.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You're the one trying to sell a 750K card and you act like Adam is burdening you? Sheesh.

[trdcrdkid]

Originally Posted by GottaHaveRockandRoll

Yes, the card was slabbed altered, then taken out and the paint was removed, and then slabbed again, however the altered grade still came with it. I will get you more scans later as I said, if you are interested PM me! I am extremely busy right now and cannot be responding to the forum 24/7.

At first I thought this meant that the card was reslabbed recently, but now I see that the reslabbing happened years ago. The 2014 Sports Collectors Daily article linked to by Adam Y. in post 11 of this thread depicts the Wagner in the same slab, and it says, "The last known sale of this particular Wagner card was through Mastro Auctions in 2010 for $219,225. It was restored many years ago, but the restoration was later reversed."

[GottaHaveRockandRoll]

The card is not for sale I apologize

[ullmandds]

if I were spending 3/4 million on a card...let alone $1000...I'd want a high resolution scan of the front and the back!

As a former chess champion I'm sure you can figure out how to do that????

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by GottaHaveRockandRoll

I am extremely busy right now and cannot be responding to the forum 24/7.

Ok, so you have a graded copy of the most iconic baseball card in the world, which you would like to sell to someone for more than twice the value of my house. But you don't have time to respond to questions or craft a reasonable or intelligent sounding summary of the card's provenance which does not lead to tons of follow-up questions. Okie dok.

Also - sale price here is $715K but in Rich's article $450K?

At a minimum some high-res scans would be in order to be taken seriously. Those that I've seen so far in this forum suck.

[benjulmag]

Originally Posted by biggsdaddycool

100%. Once a card has been altered there is no way to unalter it.


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Why is that the case? If whatever was added to the card has been removed such that there is no remaining trace, why should going forward the card continue to be regarded as altered? Or is the comment meant to mean that as a practical matter, it is impossible to so completely remove what was added that there will always remain traces?

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by benjulmag

Or is the comment meant to mean that as a practical matter, it is impossible to so completely remove what was added that there will always remain traces?

This, I would think. Undoing "paint" is going to leave some traces of paint or damage regardless on a very thin and delicate, 100+ year old piece of cardboard.

[biggsdaddycool]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

This, I would think. Undoing "paint" is going to leave some traces of paint or damage regardless on a very thin and delicate, 100+ year old piece of cardboard.

My point exactly.


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