T206 Honus Wagner - Not For Sale

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by GottaHaveRockandRoll

PSA 2 is worth more like 850k+ now.

It's back to being a PSA 2 now? I thought it was a 4.

[GottaHaveRockandRoll]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

It's back to being a PSA 2 now? I thought it was a 4.

The card is not for sale I apologize

[ClementeFanOh]

The ONLY way that card gets a 3 or 3.5 is if Mr. Magoo is the grader- careful, your credibility is in question....

[Luke]

Good luck with the sale, but it doesn't help your credibility to tell people that card would grade a 3 or 4. You may just not know that you're wrong, but everyone else on the forum knows you are. If you haven't sent any cards in to PSA in a few years and looked at the grades you received, it's probably best not to make any claims about what grade this card would get.

There's exactly 0.00% chance this card could get a 2.5 or better with those corners, assuming there was no alteration. I would take the the under on 1.75 personally.

It's a great card. No reason to lie or exaggerate to try and make it seem like more than it is.

Edited to add that I probably went a little harder than I needed to in the above post. The OP sent me a PM and said he was just comparing his card to another PSA 2 and his card looked better. That is certainly possible. This card could not get above a "2" because of the corners, but it's still a nice looking card. I have a bunch of PSA 2s with rounded corners that look great.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Luke

Good luck with the sale, but it doesn't help your credibility to tell people that card would grade a 3 or 4. You may just not know that you're wrong, but everyone else on the forum knows you are. If you haven't sent any cards in to PSA in a few years and looked at the grades you received, it's probably best not to make any claims about what grade this card would get.

There's exactly 0.00% chance this card could get a 2.5 or better with those corners, assuming there was no alteration. I would take the the under on 1.75 personally.

It's a great card. No reason to lie or exaggerate to try and make it seem like more than it is.

Edited to add that I probably went a little harder than I needed to in the above post. The OP sent me a PM and said he was just comparing his card to another PSA 2 and his card looked better. That is certainly possible. This card could not get above a "2" because of the corners, but it's still a nice looking card. I have a bunch of PSA 2s with rounded corners that look great.

I have seen crazier things than a card that looks like this ending up in a 3 or 4 holder. From the 1 picture I've seen I agree 2 would be the most likely grade, assuming the card had not been altered.

[xplainer]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I have seen crazier things than a card that looks like this ending up in a 3 or 4 holder. From the 1 picture I've seen I agree 2 would be the most likely grade, assuming the card had not been altered.

It WAS altered. OP stated so.

Then, unaltered.

So, no, it has not been altered.

It is alterless.
Without alter.
It has no alter.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by xplainer

It WAS altered. OP stated so.

Then, unaltered.

So, no, it has now, not been altered.

Right I guess I should have said had it not been altered I would assume a grade of 2. Although given the context of the thread my meaning should have been clear from my previous post.

[MichelaiTorres83]

Originally Posted by xplainer

It WAS altered. OP stated so.

Then, unaltered.

So, no, it has not been altered.

It is alterless.
Without alter.
It has no alter.

I believe that the past tense of alter means at some point in the past it was changed, regardless of the change but I am an English teacher

Unaltered and unrestored are not words I would use.

It was altered to make it look better then altered again to attempt to make it look like it did before it was altered the first time.

2 times it was altered.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

The ONLY way that card gets a 3 or 3.5 is if Mr. Magoo is the grader- careful, your credibility is in question....

Zero is overstating the chance that card, if unaltered, would 3, IMO.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by GottaHaveRockandRoll

I just said a PSA 2 is worth 850k+ not 600k. The card would be graded a PSA 3 or 3.5 at least

What? I never commented on what you believe the monetary value of any particular grade would be, nor am I contesting that...but ok.

This is all over the place. In the early posts we are told the card sans the altering would be a 2. Then in the middle at some point your tune changed to it being a 4. And just now you are at “3 or 3.5 at least.”???

All very confusing.



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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

What? I never commented on what you believe the monetary value of any particular grade would be, nor am I contesting that...but ok.

This is all over the place. In the early posts we are told the card sans the altering would be a 2. Then in the middle at some point your tune changed to it being a 4. And just now you are at “3 or 3.5 at least.”???

All very confusing.



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As one of my favorite law school profs used to say, it's not confusing, it's CONFUSED.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

As one of my favorite law school profs used to say, it's not confusing, it's CONFUSED.

That too...


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[dictoresno]

just so you know, the OP of this thread raised some eyebrows on blowout forums attempting to sell something shady, and then was PMing people claiming to be a consignor under the same name as their username and soliciting people to sell their cards through him. gotta dig up the thread now.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You are or were in sales, right? Did you just blow off people you didn't think were serious buyers or were you respectful to everyone?

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Respectful yes, but if someone making say 40k a year wants to go test drive a $500k Ferrari or Rolls Royce I don't think the response will be sure let me get the keys.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's a little easier to post a picture or answer a question than to take someone out for a test drive though.

If the OP came in with the Wagner, which car would he be able to test drive?