Its not just moser/pwcc...more trimmers exposed - Net54baseball.com Forums
  NonSports Forum

Net54baseball.com
Welcome to Net54baseball.com. These forums are devoted to both Pre- and Post- war baseball cards and vintage memorabilia, as well as other sports. There is a separate section for Buying, Selling and Trading - the B/S/T area!! If you write anything concerning a person or company your full name needs to be in your post or obtainable from it. . Contact the moderator at leon@net54baseball.com should you have any questions or concerns. When you click on links to eBay on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission. Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network. Enjoy!
Net54baseball.com
Net54baseball.com
ebay GSB
T206s on eBay
Babe Ruth Cards on eBay
t206 Ty Cobb on eBay
Ty Cobb Cards on eBay
Lou Gehrig Cards on eBay
 Baseball T201-T217 on eBay
Baseball E90-E107 on eBay
T205 Cards on eBay
Baseball Postcards on eBay
Goudey Cards on eBay
 Baseball Memorabilia on eBay
Baseball Exhibit Cards on eBay
Baseball Strip Cards on eBay
Baseball Baking Cards on eBay
Sporting News Cards on eBay
 Play Ball Cards on eBay
Joe DiMaggio Cards on eBay
Mickey Mantle Cards on eBay
Bowman 1951-1955 on eBay
Football Cards on eBay

Go Back   Net54baseball.com Forums > Net54baseball Main Forum - WWII & Older Baseball Cards > Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions
Reload this Page Its not just moser/pwcc...more trimmers exposed
Register NEW Chat! Who's Chatting FAQ Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 05-28-2019, 09:45 PM
Peter_Spaeth's Avatar
Peter_Spaeth Peter_Spaeth is offline
Peter Spaeth
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 34,267
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by BobbyVCP View Post
Seems to me all the pitchforks and torches are headed to PWCC
Overt fraud is more interesting than probable negligence.
__________________
Four phrases I have coined that sum up today's hobby:
No consequences.
Stuff trumps all.
The flip is the commoodity.
Animal Farm grading.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 05-28-2019, 09:48 PM
BobbyVCP BobbyVCP is offline
Bobby Binder
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 554
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth View Post
Overt fraud is more interesting than probable negligence.
So they are claiming that PWCC knew that the cards that got graded by PSA were in fact tainted? Seems like a stretch..

Sorry if it has been covered just trying to wrap my head around the whole thing.
__________________
Bobby Binder
www.vcpcards.com
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-28-2019, 09:49 PM
Peter_Spaeth's Avatar
Peter_Spaeth Peter_Spaeth is offline
Peter Spaeth
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 34,267
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by BobbyVCP View Post
So they are claiming that PWCC knew that the cards that got graded by PSA were in fact tainted? Seems like a stretch..

Sorry if it has been covered just trying to wrap my head around the whole thing.
It's been covered ad nauseum, and it's not a stretch at all given what's been uncovered, there's no shortcut for reading it.
__________________
Four phrases I have coined that sum up today's hobby:
No consequences.
Stuff trumps all.
The flip is the commoodity.
Animal Farm grading.
Last edited by Peter_Spaeth; 05-28-2019 at 09:49 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-28-2019, 09:53 PM
Bigdaddy's Avatar
Bigdaddy Bigdaddy is offline
+0m J()rd@N
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: VA
Posts: 2,070
Default
Billy Martin, July 24, 1978, speaking about George and Reggie:

"One's a born liar, the other's convicted"

As relevant today as it was then??
__________________
Working Sets:
Baseball-
T206 SLers - Virginia League (-1)
1952 Topps - low numbers (-1)
1953 Topps (-54)
1954 Bowman (-2)
1964 Topps Giants auto'd (-2)
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-28-2019, 09:54 PM
bobbyw8469's Avatar
bobbyw8469 bobbyw8469 is offline
Robert Williams
member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 9,176
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by BobbyVCP View Post
So they are claiming that PWCC knew that the cards that got graded by PSA were in fact tainted? Seems like a stretch..

Sorry if it has been covered just trying to wrap my head around the whole thing.
It's a lot to digest Bobby, I know. I am seeing the same thing. The detectives over there are uncovering MASSIVE amounts of cards that have been doctored. To the degree that I am totally dumbfounded and sickened at the amount of deception that one person in particular has bestowed upon us.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-28-2019, 09:56 PM
Peter_Spaeth's Avatar
Peter_Spaeth Peter_Spaeth is offline
Peter Spaeth
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 34,267
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbyw8469 View Post
It's a lot to digest Bobby, I know. I am seeing the same thing. The detectives over there are uncovering MASSIVE amounts of cards that have been doctored. To the degree that I am totally dumbfounded and sickened at the amount of deception that one person in particular has bestowed upon us.
Cliffnotes version: Card doctor buys cards from PWCC, doctors them, PWCC submits them for him raw, then sells them in higher slabs. Over and over and over again, and they're just starting over there.
__________________
Four phrases I have coined that sum up today's hobby:
No consequences.
Stuff trumps all.
The flip is the commoodity.
Animal Farm grading.
Last edited by Peter_Spaeth; 05-28-2019 at 09:56 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 05-28-2019, 10:00 PM
vintagetoppsguy vintagetoppsguy is offline
D@v!d J@m3s
Banned
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 5,981
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth View Post
Cliffnotes version: Card doctor buys cards from PWCC, doctors them, PWCC submits them for him raw, then sells them in higher slabs. Over and over and over again, and they're just starting over there.
I have asked multiple times for proof of this, but my requests have gone ignored. If it's been posted, then I simply overlooked it so please re-post.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 05-28-2019, 10:03 PM
swarmee's Avatar
swarmee swarmee is offline
J0hn Raff3rty
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Niceville FL
Posts: 7,465
Default
I have not seen it either. Brent does admit that he has submitted cards for clients, but has never said who those clients were. Maybe his lawyer finally told him to zip it.
__________________
--
PWCC: The Fish Stinks From the Head
PSA: Regularly Get Cheated
BGS: Can't detect trimming on modern
SGC: Closed auto authentication business
JSA: Approved same T206 Autos before SGC
Oh, what a difference a year makes.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 05-28-2019, 10:05 PM
Peter_Spaeth's Avatar
Peter_Spaeth Peter_Spaeth is offline
Peter Spaeth
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 34,267
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy View Post
I have asked multiple times for proof of this, but my requests have gone ignored. If it's been posted, then I simply overlooked it so please re-post.
David I know they concluded that, and I do recall he admitted subbing the DiMaggio card, but I can't recall all the steps in their reasoning. But he clearly knew what this individual did to cards, I can attest to that myself from conversations.
__________________
Four phrases I have coined that sum up today's hobby:
No consequences.
Stuff trumps all.
The flip is the commoodity.
Animal Farm grading.
Last edited by Peter_Spaeth; 05-28-2019 at 10:05 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 05-28-2019, 10:39 PM
rhettyeakley's Avatar
rhettyeakley rhettyeakley is offline
Rhett Yeakley
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Idaho
Posts: 2,704
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy View Post
I have asked multiple times for proof of this, but my requests have gone ignored. If it's been posted, then I simply overlooked it so please re-post.
There were some auctions by PWCC that stated that the cards he was selling came from a raw collection that PWCC was selling (graded) and they were Moser trim jobs. I believe that is where that assumption came from initially. Also the fact that Brent has never denied doing so (that I have seen) also tends to indicate it probably occurred.
__________________
Check out my YouTube Videos highlighting VINTAGE CARDS https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbE..._as=subscriber

ebay store: kryvintage-->https://www.ebay.com/sch/kryvintage/...p2047675.l2562
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 05-29-2019, 07:16 AM
chalupacollects chalupacollects is offline
T!.m H.
Tim Hu,nt
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 1,544
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy View Post
I have asked multiple times for proof of this, but my requests have gone ignored. If it's been posted, then I simply overlooked it so please re-post.

Look for the Joe DiMaggio thread on Blowout. That implicates PWCC. Timelines and everything... There are several threads where BODA folks have been able to figure out who submitted cards, the timelines and when they were sold, some cases several times....As someone else has mentioned reading the threads will answer your questions...
__________________
Successful B/S/T deals with asoriano, obcbobd, x2dRich2000, eyecollectvintage, RepublicaninMass, Kwikford, Oneofthree67, jfkheat, scottglevy, whitehse, GoldenAge50s, Peter Spaeth, Northviewcats, megalimey, BenitoMcNamara, Edwolf1963, mightyq, sidepocket, darwinbulldog, jasonc, jessejames, sb1, rjackson44, bobbyw8469, quinnsryche, Carter08, philliesfan and ALBB, Buythatcard and JimmyC so far.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 05-29-2019, 07:20 AM
Peter_Spaeth's Avatar
Peter_Spaeth Peter_Spaeth is offline
Peter Spaeth
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 34,267
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by chalupacollects View Post
Look for the Joe DiMaggio thread on Blowout. That implicates PWCC. Timelines and everything... There are several threads where BODA folks have been able to figure out who submitted cards, the timelines and when they were sold, some cases several times....As someone else has mentioned reading the threads will answer your questions...
Yep. Forgive my venting but the tactic of refusing to read all the relevant threads and then expressing skepticism and demanding proof is getting really lame.
__________________
Four phrases I have coined that sum up today's hobby:
No consequences.
Stuff trumps all.
The flip is the commoodity.
Animal Farm grading.
Reply With Quote
Reply

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Coaches Corner exposed on TV report RichardSimon Autograph Forum- Primarily Sports 15 11-26-2018 08:34 AM
Say what you want about PWCC................. russkcpa Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 37 11-22-2018 02:33 PM
Wanted: Beaters, chewers, trimmers, ripped and torn cards david_l T206 cards B/S/T 0 11-11-2018 07:26 AM
Bonds exposed: Shadows details superstar slugger's steroid use Archive Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 343 09-23-2006 02:30 PM
super trimmers Archive Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 5 11-13-2003 11:19 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:14 PM.

RSS - Contact Us - Home - Archive - Top

ebay GSB