Outed cards, now including a 130K gain on an Aaron rookie

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by calvindog

PSA is circling the wagons and will fight to the death any notion that they are financially responsible for this debacle. They will pay some squeaky wheels back but will surely not make any public pronouncement that anyone who has one of these obviously trimmed cards will get their money back. That would require them to accept responsibility and that's not happening. When has PSA ever fell on its sword for their incompetence and negligence?

Now THIS smells like a class action opportunity, no?

[AddieJoss]

I called and spoke to PSA. They stated three will review any card suspected for being altered and review the card, plus any evidence if you have it as well. This is done free of charge. If deemed altered (I know that term is now ambiguous), they will buy it back. With that said, I would prefer to be at the beginning of this line, and not the end. So you can mail them to them if you would like to see how it goes. If anyone does, please share your experience.

Cory Weiser

[swarmee]

The Airing of Grievances: PSA Edition
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1297252

[swarmee]

Definitely recommend you try to find proof first before sending back. They will look at the "evidence" of before and after photos.

[calvindog]

They still haven’t made a public announcement. They know there is a ton of bad Moser cards out there that they incorrectly graded yet don’t give a damn about getting those cards out of circulation. They’re just quietly dealing with individuals who are calling to complain instead. This should be no different than a dog food company recalling bad dog food that they sold. PSA should be issuing a national campaign to get these cards back and to stand behind their product. But they haven’t and won’t.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

They still haven’t made a public announcement. They know there is a ton of bad Moser cards out there that they incorrectly graded yet don’t give a damn about getting those cards out of circulation. They’re just quietly dealing with individuals who are calling to complain instead. This should be no different than a dog food company recalling bad dog food that they sold. PSA should be issuing a national campaign to get these cards back and to stand behind their product. But they haven’t and won’t.

Anyone remember WIWAG? They were not exactly forthcoming then.

Time for SGC to step it up, as has been mentioned, but will they?

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Time for SGC to step it up, as has been mentioned, but will they?

SGC has nothing to provide to the vast majority of PSA's customer base: lower sale values, completely broken pop report and registry, confusing flips, and THEY JUST CLOSED THEIR AUTO AUTHENTICATION ARM. Most people believe that to be because of the T206 auto scandal they and JSA were most heavily involved in.

[swarmee]

They were hamstrung by the May 31 Set Registry Deadline that passed yesterday. I expect them to be more forthcoming now that they can put that registry year to bed. If they had decertified all the flips tied to Moser one day before the deadline, they would have irreparably harmed their customers and brand.
I completely understand them taking time to make a measured response, when that time was so critical to their Set Registry. Just the timing of these revelations came at the wrong time of the year.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by swarmee

They were hamstrung by the May 31 Set Registry Deadline that passed yesterday. I expect them to be more forthcoming now that they can put that registry year to bed. If they had decertified all the flips tied to Moser one day before the deadline, they would have irreparably harmed their customers and brand.
I completely understand them taking time to make a measured response, when that time was so critical to their Set Registry. Just the timing of these revelations came at the wrong time of the year.

PSA will never make a public announcement that any of the cards featured in Blowout are welcome to be sent back for refunds. They can't afford to. And they're by any measure a historically dishonest company. I've heard a hundred stories in which they've fought to the death before honoring their guarantee. They need to be sued and publicly humiliated/destroyed.

[Buythatcard]

Suppose you own one of these cards. You won it at an AH or on eBay.
Now, the AH or eBay seller might have bought this card from another AH or seller. Maybe the card was consigned. The AH or eBay seller had no idea that it was altered or doctored in any way. They depended on the expertise of the grading company to confirm its authenticity.

Do you think that the AH or eBay seller is responsible for refunding the buyer? How about the grading company, are they responsible for refunding the buyer?
Or, is the buyer stuck with the card?

[swarmee]

[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Now THIS smells like a class action opportunity, no?

We're just spit ballin here...
Let's Say Every PSA Cert Number was an actual person in this Class Action Law suit! And the List kept getting bigger and Bigger And BIGGER!

And then the PSA Bubble got Busted!
Well, it took like 7-10 years fir the GAI Slab to become obsolete, jus a quick thought!?

"How Long do ya think it'll take fir the PSA Slab to become extinct?"

[perezfan]

My over/under is 8 years. But wish that number was lower.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by perezfan

My over/under is 8 years. But wish that number was lower.

I will take the over. This hobby is way too shady to let a few whiners on a couple forums bring down the cash cow. Anybody in for a group submission?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I will take the over. This hobby is way too shady to let a few whiners on a couple forums bring down the cash cow. Anybody in for a group submission?

Over as well. I cannot see the hobby returning to a raw card model, not with the millions upon millions invested already in registry sets and other slabbed cards. And there is no meaningful competition now or on the horizon. I think PSA weathers the storm.

[Johnny630]

Over Agree with Peter for all the above reason I posted before.

[Peter_Spaeth]

And a nice sticker too.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=171

[perezfan]

Lots of cardboard missing on that one. I guess it’s not the first time Little Joe was deemed short.

What if we put a 1 in front of the 8? Would anyone here bet the under at 18?