PSA/SGC guarantee; how long before revisions?

joshuanip · #1 06-01-2019, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If PSA, in fact, concludes that the card in question no longer merits the PSA grade assigned or fails PSA�s authenticity standards, PSA will either ETC.

How is that limited to the process?

If PSA, in fact, concludes...

Peter_Spaeth · #2 06-01-2019, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by joshuanip

If PSA, in fact, concludes...

As opposed to what? That would be implicit anyhow. I don't really follow the point. Of course they aren't going to refund anyone unless they reach a conclusion, it's a tautology or whatever. I think you were focused before on the prior sentence, but maybe not.

joshuanip · #3 06-01-2019, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

As opposed to what? That would be implicit anyhow. I don't really follow the point. Of course they aren't going to refund anyone unless they reach a conclusion, it's a tautology or whatever. I think you were focused before on the prior sentence, but maybe not.

The point is that it�s in psa determination, far different from a grade guarantee, which is what some unfortunate people are probably experiencing right now.

Peter_Spaeth · #4 06-01-2019, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by joshuanip

The point is that it’s in psa determination, far different from a grade guarantee, which is what some unfortunate people are probably experiencing right now.

True, they control the decision, but that's true of SGC too and probably anyone who issues a warranty, at least until it gets into dispute resolution. I am still not sure I understand what in your mind a true grade guaranty would be other than this?

joshuanip · #5 06-01-2019, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

True, they control the decision, but that's true of SGC too and probably anyone who issues a warranty, at least until it gets into dispute resolution. I am still not sure I understand what in your mind a true grade guaranty would be other than this?

I am answering the post, it was intentionally written as such to limit liability. So no change is needed from their perspective. I have made no direct opinion on a grade guarantee, which if you can tell from my posts, my belief is that it is far from it.

Peter_Spaeth · #6 06-01-2019, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by joshuanip

I am answering the post, it was intentionally written as such to limit liability. So no change is needed from their perspective. I have made no direct opinion on a grade guarantee, which if you can tell from my posts, my belief is that it is far from it.

Again, tell me what you think a true grade guaranty would look like.
Let's see some language.
I am not seeing the limitation here.
I don't understand how it could be drafted so as to be broader.
Nobody is going to say, if you the owner don't agree with the grade just send it back for a refund.

swarmee · #7 06-01-2019, 04:39 PM

Nobody is going to say that "before and after pictures aren't evidence" either... or would they?

joshuanip · #8 06-01-2019, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Again, tell me what you think a true grade guaranty would look like.
Let's see some language.
I am not seeing the limitation here.
I don't understand how it could be drafted so as to be broader.
Nobody is going to say, if you the owner don't agree with the grade just send it back for a refund.

I think we�re getting off point. My point is that it�s not going to be revised because this is the best we�re going to get, which is not a guarantee.

A true guarantee would include transferable dispute resolution procedures that would involve a third party intermediary to determine resolution and equitable judgment. And have this guarantee bonded. But that would only work if a company doesn�t care about unlimited liability.

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