Poll: response to recent PWCC revelations

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by sportscardtheory

It's almost as though some people can't see that it's not ONLY about altered cards. It's also about how a business REACTS to these findings. And PWCC, PSA and BGS' responses and lack thereof speak volumes to their complicity and that severely damages their credibility in the areas of business in which they reside. It's about trust, and I no longer trust PWCC, PSA or BGS in any way. Pointing out other instances of such malfeasance among the hobby doesn't CHANGE that, so you're confused if you think it does. Pointing out some stuff about Probstein doesn't make THIS go away, sorry.

It isn't about it going away.

I am just laughing at all of the self righteous people that think they are somehow noble for not bidding in PWCC auctions when funny business has been going on forever.

[sportscardtheory]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

It isn't about it going away.

I am just laughing at all of the self righteous people that think they are somehow noble for not bidding in PWCC auctions when funny business has been going on forever.

You are laughing at people for 'doing their best'? That's YOUR sentiment. I can't tell if your'e trolling or just dumb, because it's obvious you don't believe a word you say.

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by sportscardtheory

You are laughing at people for 'doing their best'? That's YOUR sentiment. I can't tell if your'e trolling or just dumb, because it's obvious you don't believe a word you say.

I am certainly not dumb. You don't get to the position in life that I am at and be dumb.

No trolling. I just think you guys are fooling yourselves if somehow boycotting PWCC is going to save you.

If PWCC goes down the consignments will flow elsewhere and the process starts all over.

[sportscardtheory]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

I am certainly not dumb. You don't get to the position in life that I am at and be dumb.

No trolling. I just think you guys are fooling yourselves if somehow boycotting PWCC is going to save you.

If PWCC goes down the consignments will flow elsewhere and the process starts all over.

Seems like you don't care at all. So why are you even in these threads? To tell everyone there is fraud in the hobby and that you couldn't care less.

KthanksBye

[sportscardtheory]

Guy's got a huge PSA collection. No wonder he's running shadow interference/deflection. Many of the nay-sayers are just people with huge investments in PSA/BGS, have spent a ton with PWCC and are just here to protect their investments.

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by sportscardtheory

Guy's got a huge PSA collection. No wonder he's running shadow interference/deflection.

Yes I do have a huge PSA collection.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I don't agree with Dave obviously on some of this but the attacks on him are unfair. He's a good man in my opinion. His point of view is that fraud is pervasive so if you want to keep collecting at all, it isn't rational just to selectively cut off the fraudster of the day, you have to be careful everywhere. I get that.

[sportscardtheory]

By telling us he's laughing at us for having principles? Great guy.

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't agree with Dave obviously on some of this but the attacks on him are unfair. He's a good man in my opinion. His point of view is that fraud is pervasive so if you want to keep collecting at all, it isn't rational just to selectively cut off the fraudster of the day, you have to be careful everywhere. I get that.

Thanks Peter.

This is exactly what I am getting at.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't agree with Dave obviously on some of this but the attacks on him are unfair. He's a good man in my opinion. His point of view is that fraud is pervasive so if you want to keep collecting at all, it isn't rational just to selectively cut off the fraudster of the day, you have to be careful everywhere. I get that.

I get that he's smart, and that he is entitled to his beliefs, based on his huge investment in PSA. If that's where/how you want to spend your money, it's all good. It is afterall HIS money.

But I would hardly label PWCC as "the fraudster of the day". Fraudster of the decade is certainly a more accurate moniker. The breadth of deception documented on the BO threads dwarfs anything else we've seen. And that's just focused on the alterations... the shill bidding (and PWCC's justification of doing so) is a whole different subject.

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by sportscardtheory

Seems like you don't care at all. So why are you even in these threads? To tell everyone there is fraud in the hobby and that you couldn't care less.

KthanksBye

To participate just like you. It seems the only opinion that is allowed is I won't do business with PWCC.

I am one of the collectors who simply will look at all cards that come for sale.

[sportscardtheory]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

To participate just like you. It seems the only opinion that is allowed is I won't do business with PWCC.

I am one of the collectors who simply will look at all cards that come for sale.

Oh lord. As if you aren't allowed your opinions. You are the one "laughing" at people for standing up for what they believe in. Remember when I said "You do you". I do.

[sportscardtheory]

Does anyone else see that this guy is essentially saying ignore people who commit fraud, just buy cards anyway. lol Great guy seems legit. A I expected to take this seriously?