Is CC Sabathia a Hall of Famer?

[MVSNYC]

Yes, he's a HOFer. Dominant. And as mentioned above, 250 is the new 300...just as 600 is the new 500 in the HR category. (See what I did there?)

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

Yes, he's a HOFer. Dominant. And as mentioned above, 250 is the new 300...just as 600 is the new 500 in the HR category. (See what I did there?)

If Bartolo had won 3 more would he get in, with his 4.12 lifetime ERA? I doubt it. I think it's still an overall assessment, but I agree CC should make it.

[glynparson]

C.C. Will get in the Hall Of Fame someday. Not positive if i would or would not vote for him. I certainly wouldn't protest him making it to the Hall thats for sure.

[packs]

I think he'll get the Mussina treatment and have to wait a few years but will get in. Don't really think of him as a HOFer though. He hasn't really been a good pitcher since 2012, which was 7 years ago. His 3,000 K's (while still impressive) feel like a Biggio compiler stat to me.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Hall of Stats has him at 115, 57th ranked pitcher, which is lower tier but definitely in. That seems accurate to me.

[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by packs

I think he'll get the Mussina treatment and have to wait a few years but will get in. Don't really think of him as a HOFer though. He hasn't really been a good pitcher since 2012, which was 7 years ago. His 3,000 K's (while still impressive) feel like a Biggio compiler stat to me.

You say "compiler," I say "consistent."

[packs]

Originally Posted by Orioles1954

You say "compiler," I say "consistent."

Consistency means repeated results. Take a look at CC's career since 2013. Let me know if you think that's a HOF span. Without it he doesn't get to 250 wins or 3,000 K's. I call that compiling.

[MVSNYC]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If Bartolo had won 3 more would he get in, with his 4.12 lifetime ERA? I doubt it. I think it's still an overall assessment, but I agree CC should make it.

I totally agree it's an overall assessment. And as such, CC should get in.

My 250 comment (which others above said the same), is pointing out one (huge) aspect of his game...not the only one for review.

[Davidlisa]

C.C. was dominant for years, his numbers are good and in my opinion with the watering down of the Hall of Fame, he gets in.

[Mike D.]

Originally Posted by Davidlisa

C.C. was dominant for years, his numbers are good and in my opinion with the watering down of the Hall of Fame, he gets in.

AVG WAR of a HOF is 59.3

AVG WAR of 2010-2019 BBWAA = 73.2
AVG WAR of 2010-2019 VETS = 49.6
2010-2019 Combined AVG = 68.5

The HOF is actually....watering up? Getting concentrated? People forget that the "watering down" of the HOF started VERY early, so at this point it's actually reversing. We used to get Harold Baines level bad selections from the vets all the time.

[Snapolit1]

It's now the Hall of Very Good and Not Necessarily Amazing. And he belongs there under that umbrella with other Bronx Bombers of similar stature.

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

It's now the Hall of Very Good and Not Necessarily Amazing. And he belongs there under that umbrella with other Bronx Bombers of similar stature.

Its been the Hall of Very Good since 1946.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

Its been the Hall of Very Good since 1946.

When was that first group of marginal 30s players selected? That really set the tone.

[insidethewrapper]

Has CC played for the Yankees ? He has, therefore he will be in the Hall of Fame.

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

When was that first group of marginal 30s players selected? That really set the tone.

Chesbro, McCarthy, Tinker, Evers and Chance were all inducted in 1946. Maranville in 1954, Schalk in 1955. Flick in 1963, Combs and Haines in 1970.
Bancroft, Hafey, Hooper and Marquard in 1971. Need I go on?

You can make an argument for every one of them. But by and large, they are generally regarded as some of the weaker members. This is not some recent phenomenon. It has been going on for 70+ years.

[xplainer]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

It's now the Hall of Very Good and Not Necessarily Amazing. And he belongs there under that umbrella with other Bronx Bombers of similar stature.

I agree. very good is the mark now.
HOF means little anymore...unless you have their RC in a 10. (Did not mention PSA). Then, you are in like Flint. Yeah, he deserves.

Besides, his cards are produced in the great bulge production numbers. Never will hold a good return.

CC is not a HOFer in my thoughts. My baseball side. Not my card side.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by xplainer

I agree. very good is the mark now.
HOF means little anymore...unless you have their RC in a 10. (Did not mention PSA). Then, you are in like Flint. Yeah, he deserves.

Besides, his cards are produced in the great bulge production numbers. Never will hold a good return.

CC is not a HOFer in my thoughts. My baseball side. Not my card side.

Unless someone's election is a real shock, like Smith and Baines, I agree it won't have a big effect on price. Smith's and Baines' 9s and 10s though went up exponentially when they were elected and still haven't come back to prior levels or even close.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

I totally agree it's an overall assessment. And as such, CC should get in.

My 250 comment (which others above said the same), is pointing out one (huge) aspect of his game...not the only one for review.

You do have to wonder if we'll ever see another 300 game winner. I don't see anyone active now with a realistic chance. Verlander has 213 and is still phenomenal, but he's 36 so I wouldn't think his chances are great.