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Old 06-20-2019, 10:24 AM
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It's now the Hall of Very Good and Not Necessarily Amazing. And he belongs there under that umbrella with other Bronx Bombers of similar stature.
Its been the Hall of Very Good since 1946.
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Its been the Hall of Very Good since 1946.
When was that first group of marginal 30s players selected? That really set the tone.
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Has CC played for the Yankees ? He has, therefore he will be in the Hall of Fame.
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Has CC played for the Yankees ? He has, therefore he will be in the Hall of Fame.
What do people think of Pettitte's chances?
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Has CC played for the Yankees ? He has, therefore he will be in the Hall of Fame.
Surprised Jorge Posada wasn't enshrined. Chris Chambliss and Bernie Williams too.
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Surprised Jorge Posada wasn't enshrined. Chris Chambliss and Bernie Williams too.
Willie Randolph. The obvious one, Mattingly.
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Willie Randolph. The obvious one, Mattingly.
What about Munson or Maris?
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What about Munson or Maris?
Ah right. Lots of Yankees on that list of guys people want to see in.
Of them all, I would only agree with Mattingly.
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Willie Randolph. The obvious one, Mattingly.
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What about Munson or Maris?
None of these. And if I could, I would kick out a dozen of the marginal players that keep guys like Mattingly in the conversation. He was good, he wasn't great. Just good isn't good enough for even the Hall of Very Good.
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Willie Randolph. The obvious one, Mattingly.
Mattingly, yes....Randolph, no....Just my opinion
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Sabathia is an absolute yes for HOF to me. Maybe not first ballot, but he definitely gets in.

In some sense he was a compiler, yes, with only one 20 win season. Yes, the ERA is a little "thick" but he also pitched virtually his entire career in the AL (ex the Milwaukee stint where he went 11-2 with a 1.65 ERA), including through the back half of the steroid era.

Pretty likable guy, seems like a pretty good teammate and he's definitely a gamer.

Being a lefty helps the case, but he seems like a pretty easy choice to me.
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Mattingly, yes....Randolph, no....Just my opinion
advanced metrics like Randolph better believe it or not.
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FWIW Hall of Stats has Randolph about 50 points higher than Mattingly, who is by their standards utterly mediocre.
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When was that first group of marginal 30s players selected? That really set the tone.
Chesbro, McCarthy, Tinker, Evers and Chance were all inducted in 1946. Maranville in 1954, Schalk in 1955. Flick in 1963, Combs and Haines in 1970.
Bancroft, Hafey, Hooper and Marquard in 1971. Need I go on?

You can make an argument for every one of them. But by and large, they are generally regarded as some of the weaker members. This is not some recent phenomenon. It has been going on for 70+ years.
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Chesbro, McCarthy, Tinker, Evers and Chance were all inducted in 1946. Maranville in 1954, Schalk in 1955. Flick in 1963, Combs and Haines in 1970.
Bancroft, Hafey, Hooper and Marquard in 1971. Need I go on?

You can make an argument for every one of them. But by and large, they are generally regarded as some of the weaker members. This is not some recent phenomenon. It has been going on for 70+ years.

Think you're being a little hard on McCarthy. 7 titles and 9 pennants is pretty good.
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Think you're being a little hard on McCarthy. 7 titles and 9 pennants is pretty good.
Tommy McCarthy, not Joe.
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Chesbro, McCarthy, Tinker, Evers and Chance were all inducted in 1946. Maranville in 1954, Schalk in 1955. Flick in 1963, Combs and Haines in 1970.
Bancroft, Hafey, Hooper and Marquard in 1971. Need I go on?

You can make an argument for every one of them. But by and large, they are generally regarded as some of the weaker members. This is not some recent phenomenon. It has been going on for 70+ years.
Lloyd Waner and Travis Jackson have to make that list. Ross Youngs.
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