Is CC Sabathia a Hall of Famer?

[Jay Wolt]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Willie Randolph. The obvious one, Mattingly.

What about Munson or Maris?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

What about Munson or Maris?

Ah right. Lots of Yankees on that list of guys people want to see in.
Of them all, I would only agree with Mattingly.

[GaryPassamonte]

Prediction-Kershaw will be a first ballot HOFer. He has been a dominant superstar by any measure. Sabathia will eventually get in. He is basically a compiler, but was dominant at times earlier in his career.
Also, 3000 strikeouts will eventually lose its ring just as 500 HRs has.
225 will probably end up being the new 300.

[packs]

Not really sure why people don't think another pitcher will win 300 games. Randy Johnson won 300 games after he turned 25 years old. He's obviously one of the greatest pitchers of all time, but so are the majority of people who won 300 games.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

Not really sure why people don't think another pitcher will win 300 games. Randy Johnson won 300 games after he turned 25 years old. He's obviously one of the greatest pitchers of all time, but so are the majority of people who won 300 games.

Johnson had a very unusual career trajectory. And I think the trend over time is going to be towards shorter starts meaning fewer decisions.

[Vintageclout]

Originally Posted by packs

Not really sure why people don't think another pitcher will win 300 games. Randy Johnson won 300 games after he turned 25 years old. He's obviously one of the greatest pitchers of all time, but so are the majority of people who won 300 games.

Simple answer. MLB Baseball has turned a starting pitcher into a 6 inning pitcher. The less a pitcher “hangs around”, the less likely his chances are to claim a victory.

[bounce]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Willie Randolph. The obvious one, Mattingly.

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

What about Munson or Maris?

None of these. And if I could, I would kick out a dozen of the marginal players that keep guys like Mattingly in the conversation. He was good, he wasn't great. Just good isn't good enough for even the Hall of Very Good.

[Jay Wolt]

Originally Posted by bounce

None of these. And if I could, I would kick out a dozen of the marginal players that keep guys like Mattingly in the conversation. He was good, he wasn't great. Just good isn't good enough for even the Hall of Very Good.

I posted Munson & Maris to counter the mindset that if any player wore the pinstripes he has an edge to Cooperstown.
There are alot of marginal Yankees that aren't in & have no advantage because they played in the Bronx.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

I posted Munson & Maris to counter the mindset that if any player wore the pinstripes he has an edge to Cooperstown.
There are alot of marginal Yankees that aren't in & have no advantage because they played in the Bronx.

Does Rizzuto get in playing for Phila/KC, or the Browns/Orioles?

Is Munson even in the conversation if he played for Cleveland or Detroit?

[Jay Wolt]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Does Rizzuto get in playing for Phila/KC, or the Browns/Orioles?

I always suspected that Rizzuto got in because Pee Wee Reese was already in.
Rizzuto had a higher BA & won an MVP & was every bit the contemporary.
Would Reese be in if he played w/ the Phillies, Indian's or A's?

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

I always suspected that Rizzuto got in because Pee Wee Reese was already in.
Rizzuto had a higher BA & won an MVP & was every bit the contemporary.
Would Reese be in if he played w/ the Phillies, Indian's or A's?

I never saw either play, but statistically there is no comparison. Reese was far better than Rizzuto in almost every respect, while Rizzuto played for a more dominant team. I don't think that particular comparison is even very close.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Joe Gordon -- is he in if his whole career was in Cleveland? I doubt it. Lazzeri?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

I always suspected that Rizzuto got in because Pee Wee Reese was already in.
Rizzuto had a higher BA & won an MVP & was every bit the contemporary.
Would Reese be in if he played w/ the Phillies, Indian's or A's?

Rizzuto couldn't hold Pee Wee's Jock. He was the third best NY Short Stop, just Alvin Dark didn't play his whole career with the Giants.

[lowpopper]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Rizzuto couldn't hold Pee Wee's Jock.

What a quote! lol

[oldjudge]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Rizzuto couldn't hold Pee Wee's Jock. He was the third best NY Short Stop, just Alvin Dark didn't play his whole career with the Giants.

Career stats of the two are very similar. Rizzuto won three major awards and was second in MVP voting once. Reese won no major awards. Also, Phil had just a few more championship rings. However, I see them both as borderline HOFers at best.

[Steve D]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Rizzuto couldn't hold Pee Wee's Jock.

Maybe, but he did play a major role in arguably the greatest rock & roll song of all time!


Steve