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I dont think its ridiculous for LE to be more aggressive where there are victims lining up versus not so civil lawsuits do come into my mind but each entitled to an opinion...not sure why people resort to saying everyone's opinion is ridiculous as you see how it is now Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 07-02-2019 at 04:25 PM. |
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Geez Jake... you cant even get a movie quote right... Dean Werner put them on double secret probation... not the Tri Lams.... c’mon man....
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This is not a TV show where the crime occurs, the perpetrator is apprehended, and the trial results in a guilty verdict all in an hour. I mean, seriously, please spare me any more drivel like that. You should know it doesn't ever work that way.
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Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life son.
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right in real life there are a bunch of civil suits which would be boring for a tv show.. Bernie Madoff, had a ton of civil suits against him before anyone know about any crimes for example..
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Wasn't it the other way around, and that the "after" card had the rounded corners? If so, we're only talking about a few very minor stains being removed.
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Didn't you say at some point that it's a good thing that PWCC is offering restitution? Regardless of the motive, restitution is a good thing, and I'm glad it's happening.
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Yes, it's wonderful that PWCC is covering PSAs mess for them...
Getting PSA off the hook for the full price less the "A" value. I wonder how much of their "losses" PSA is covering behind the scenes? |
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Cover up is so evident don’t think they’re doing this out of their kindness of their own hearts Newport Beach is taking care of them....do the right thing and we will update the Pop Report and come up with some new Fake News marketing to lure the sheeple back just do what’s right and we got your back...
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Great point. If only PSA had truly been the gold standard so many of us believed they were . . .
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I have to disagree. Pwcc has been deliberately targeting TPGs to grade altered cards, altered by them, and adding their little sticker for profit. Pwcc should foot the bill as long as feasibly possible as they are exposed as the ones with consistent behavior that could be viewed as criminal. I highly doubt they are consoling pwcc behind the scenes.
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....I sure hope and pray not.....but I’m suspicious of it.... |
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Yes, they can be this bad at their job. Beckett is definitely handing out favorable grades to their largest submitters (in fact they've even used it as a sales tactic for accounts). Look up the Joe Clemons thread on the Blowout baseball board for evidence.
But PSA just seems to be completely incapable of detecting these alterations. I cataloged the various alterations they've missed so far elsewhere, but will retype it here: 1) Trimming (even heavy trimming) 2) False rough cuts 3) Filled Pinholes 4) Missed erasures 5) Bleaching and stain removal 6) Crease removal by pressing/spooning 7) Rebuilt corners 8) Intentionally rounded corners (unnatural wear) 9) Recoloring 10) Reglossing has been accused
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Your take would be They just really suck at their job??? Invoice track down of whom submitted these cards for GM would be really interesting to put any possible links together.... Should be a interesting case we shall see Last edited by Johnny630; 07-07-2019 at 05:34 AM. |
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You guys ever have a card kicked back by PSA and wonder why? Many times it is evident with the card in hand, but unless pointed out, it's tough to notice. Imagine if hundreds and hundreds of cards, just in the PWCC subs are all doctored, some obvious ones are sure to slip by. However, they are using a pro to do this, and it's on every card. That's evident by the low grade and mid grade cards gaming small amounts. I think it's a number game, still in shock PSA cant detect them. Again, you build a better mouse trap, they'll build a better mouse
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One disagreement don’t give the guy the credit...the card doctor..... isn’t a Pro...many are horrendously done PSA is no longer a authority to me....they’re a facilitator....yuck vomit..... Try and Try to get this through people’s heads but as long as people believe their cards will be worth more in their holders the PSA lines will be flooded with people spending their money for their opinion....Report on the Lines At the National to Follow Last edited by Johnny630; 07-07-2019 at 05:41 AM. |
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That t3 Cobb really got my goat. I didnt even need a big scan. Not a pro job by any means, and slid through. A top tier HOF card. Not sure the excuse on that, maybe 2 day turnaround? They are submitted at super express
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That's why when I first started asking them the tough questions two months ago the options were: INCOMPETENT or COMPLICIT? All the evidence that continues to come out daily is that they're incompetent.
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This is the exact right question. Since the Emperor is wearing no clothes, why should any high grade card have a value worth more than a nice looking Altered card? If enough people start subscribing to that way of thinking, the whole exponential growth curve of graded card collapses.
This is why there are only a few people discussing it on this board and Blowout, and almost nobody on the CU/PSA boards. Too much invested in the segment. If you have millions of dollars in graded cards right now, you're freaking out. The vast majority is sticking their heads in the sand, hoping that it will all just blow over and go away, protecting their asset class.
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