Outed cards, now including a 130K gain on an Aaron rookie

Peter_Spaeth · #1 09-22-2019, 09:46 AM

Here's a 2013 archived page where he claims he and his 9 year old son are passionate collectors.

https://web.archive.org/web/20130827...om/?page_id=32

1.WE ARE COLLECTORS just like you and have been buying cards since 1977 ….we are NOT DEALERS LOOKING TO RESELL YOUR CARDS AT A PROFIT. There is no need for a middle man looking to make money off your cards since we are purchasing for our own personal collection allowing us to offer more.

If memory serves, there was a thread last year about an email from PSA regarding the same person, again mentioning the apparently still 9 year old son.

EDIT TO ADD
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ight=cardbuyer

2dueces · #2 09-22-2019, 10:04 AM

Since this is an ongoing investigation whatever happened to the bogus autograph scandal? I don�t remember any charges. I thought there were people here who know who but seems like no matter how much evidence is brought to light nothing is done. Or maybe I missed something? Or is it still in the works?

Johnny630 · #3 09-22-2019, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Here's a 2013 archived page where he claims he and his 9 year old son are passionate collectors.

https://web.archive.org/web/20130827...om/?page_id=32

1.WE ARE COLLECTORS just like you and have been buying cards since 1977 �.we are NOT DEALERS LOOKING TO RESELL YOUR CARDS AT A PROFIT. There is no need for a middle man looking to make money off your cards since we are purchasing for our own personal collection allowing us to offer more.

If memory serves, there was a thread last year about an email from PSA regarding the same person, again mentioning the apparently still 9 year old son.

EDIT TO ADD
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ight=cardbuyer

Are these the guys who put adds in big Papers Stating they will be at such and such hotel on such and such weekend buying card collections or are those different guys ?

chalupacollects · #4 09-23-2019, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny630

Are these the guys who put adds in big Papers Stating they will be at such and such hotel on such and such weekend buying card collections or are those different guys ?

Same guys...

Johnny630 · #5 09-23-2019, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by chalupacollects

Same guys...

Ugh.....

Wonder if these guys have front row seats at the Newport Beach Top Secret Invitationals with the graders

Peter_Spaeth · #6 09-23-2019, 06:17 PM

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...315750&page=51

and other pages on same the thread

Seriously. WTF is going on with PSA and this guy? What is the process here by which this is happening? I have spoken to dealers who have submitted high end vintage cards for a lifetime and haven't received as many 10s as this guy seems to get on a single submission. Some that can be traced to lower grade holders, some that can't.

This is really effed up, IMO.

Is there ever going to be a reckoning? Or is nobody ever going to bite the hand that feeds him?

Johnny630 · #7 09-23-2019, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...315750&page=51

and other pages on same the thread

Seriously. WTF is going on with PSA and this guy? What is the process here by which this is happening? I have spoken to dealers who have submitted high end vintage cards for a lifetime and haven't received as many 10s as this guy seems to get on a single submission. Some that can be traced to lower grade holders, some that can't.

This is really effed up, IMO.

Is there ever going to be a reckoning? Or is nobody ever going to bite the hand that feeds him?

PSA high grade, PSA 8 and above prices are going plummet....In my mind....it won’t be long.....it’s not a matter of if anymore......it’s when...that time is getting closer and closer. If law and order doesn’t handle it the lack of buyers will

ullmandds · #8 09-23-2019, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny630

PSA high grade, PSA 8 and above prices are going plummet....In my mind....it won�t be long.....it�s not a matter of if anymore......it�s when...that time is getting closer and closer. If law and order doesn�t handle it the lack of buyers will

Is it time to sell my only psa 10...a GRONK rookie??????

Scott L. · #9 09-23-2019, 07:00 PM

Still buying....

Rhotchkiss · #10 09-23-2019, 07:13 PM

Peter, sounds like a good subject for another article. Things like this must get off the message boards and into the mainstream

Peter_Spaeth · #11 09-23-2019, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Peter, sounds like a good subject for another article. Things like this must get off the message boards and into the mainstream

Without someone with inside knowledge willing to break ranks with the machine, nothing in the public domain is going to help. It's a joke -- all the shit that's been exposed and the stock is way up and the submission queue has never been longer. My friend can't even get a card reholdered for me after THREE months. And so far, no one on the inside is breaking ranks, they're too busy feeding at the trough. PSA has it all figured out. Give Joe credit. The brand he built/solidified looks like it can withstand a nuclear attack.

Will law enforcement make a difference? We'll see.

Fuddjcal · #12 09-24-2019, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...315750&page=51

and other pages on same the thread

Seriously. WTF is going on with PSA and this guy? What is the process here by which this is happening? I have spoken to dealers who have submitted high end vintage cards for a lifetime and haven't received as many 10s as this guy seems to get on a single submission. Some that can be traced to lower grade holders, some that can't.

This is really effed up, IMO.

Is there ever going to be a reckoning? Or is nobody ever going to bite the hand that feeds him?

And to think guys like this scammer are like ANTS. THEY ARE EVERYWHERE. This just one of a handful that is caught. There are 50 others for every one outed and that's conservative, IMHO.

Rickyy · #13 09-24-2019, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...315750&page=51

and other pages on same the thread

Seriously. WTF is going on with PSA and this guy? What is the process here by which this is happening? I have spoken to dealers who have submitted high end vintage cards for a lifetime and haven't received as many 10s as this guy seems to get on a single submission. Some that can be traced to lower grade holders, some that can't.

This is really effed up, IMO.

Is there ever going to be a reckoning? Or is nobody ever going to bite the hand that feeds him?

Even if you go to his web page, there is no information as to who he (they) really are or where they are even located. You have to contact them first via email....

Ricky Y

Peter_Spaeth · #14 09-24-2019, 06:56 PM

Elsewhere on the thread their names and locations have been identified.

tschock · #15 09-23-2019, 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Here's a 2013 archived page where he claims he and his 9 year old son are passionate collectors.

https://web.archive.org/web/20130827...om/?page_id=32

1.WE ARE COLLECTORS just like you and have been buying cards since 1977 �.we are NOT DEALERS LOOKING TO RESELL YOUR CARDS AT A PROFIT. There is no need for a middle man looking to make money off your cards since we are purchasing for our own personal collection allowing us to offer more.

If memory serves, there was a thread last year about an email from PSA regarding the same person, again mentioning the apparently still 9 year old son.

EDIT TO ADD
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ight=cardbuyer

I sure hope they will be successful in getting Rich's 9 year old son out of suspended animation.
http://cardbuyer.com/about-us

chalupacollects · #16 09-23-2019, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Here's a 2013 archived page where he claims he and his 9 year old son are passionate collectors.

https://web.archive.org/web/20130827...om/?page_id=32

1.WE ARE COLLECTORS just like you and have been buying cards since 1977 �.we are NOT DEALERS LOOKING TO RESELL YOUR CARDS AT A PROFIT. There is no need for a middle man looking to make money off your cards since we are purchasing for our own personal collection allowing us to offer more.

If memory serves, there was a thread last year about an email from PSA regarding the same person, again mentioning the apparently still 9 year old son.

EDIT TO ADD
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ight=cardbuyer

Maybe now the naysayers on the old thread I started are seeing things differently???

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