Outed cards, now including a 130K gain on an Aaron rookie

griffon512 · #1 09-29-2019, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by al032184

Speaking only to the vaping "crisis", the big issue there is counterfeit vaping cartridges. People make these black market cartridges and sell them as legitimate brand name cartridges. These counterfeit cartridges contain harmful substances that give the cartridges an aesthetically pleasing look. There is no real crisis when it comes to legitimate products. Just saying..

so you've verified that of the 805 and counting people that have gotten ill or died related to vaping all are related to counterfeit rather than brand name cartridges? a lot of pulmonologists would disagree with you. do you vape or in some way benefit from the vaping industry?

swarmee · #2 09-29-2019, 08:53 AM

Can you guys take this off-topic into a different thread?

griffon512 · #3 09-29-2019, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by swarmee

Can you guys take this off-topic into a different thread?

you are right -- we should keep this on topic from this point on. didn't want an earlier post to not get a response.

1952boyntoncollector · #4 09-29-2019, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by griffon512

so you've verified that of the 805 and counting people that have died related to vaping all are related to counterfeit rather than brand name cartridges? a lot of pulmonologists would disagree with you. do you vape or in some way benefit from the vaping industry?

There are lawsuits going on with vaping..... no need to wait to see how it plays out 2 years from now and what choice do you have but to wait years..

ullmandds · #5 09-29-2019, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

There are lawsuits going on with vaping..... no need to wait to see how it plays out 2 years from now and what choice do you have but to wait years..

I haven't heard of any fatalities resulting from altered/overgraded baseball cards yet?

irv · #6 09-29-2019, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by griffon512

so you've verified that of the 805 and counting people that have died related to vaping all are related to counterfeit rather than brand name cartridges? a lot of pulmonologists would disagree with you. do you vape or in some way benefit from the vaping industry?

https://time.com/5688229/cdc-thc-vaping-deaths/

1952boyntoncollector · #7 09-30-2019, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds

I haven't heard of any fatalities resulting from altered/overgraded baseball cards yet?

so there are never any lawsuits for anything other than if there are fatalities...

altered cards involve money, you are right nobody ever sues or no crime occurs because of money....

Peter_Spaeth · #8 09-30-2019, 08:24 AM

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Johnny630 · #9 09-30-2019, 08:30 AM

To me the market or lack of buyers is what will Stop or Slow down the fraud/manipulation. By now If people still don�t get it they never will.

calvindog · #10 09-30-2019, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

so there are never any lawsuits for anything other than if there are fatalities...

altered cards involve money, you are right nobody ever sues or no crime occurs because of money....

You�re a civil lawyer and you�ve been beating the drums for months about suing PSA. Surely you must have a bunch of clients by now, no? After all who would potential litigants go to but you? When I was talking about Mastro�s fraud I had a number of Net 54 members who hired me to go after Mastro and his co-conspirators and multiple people got six figures back from them. So how many have you signed up?

steve B · #11 10-01-2019, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

You�re a civil lawyer and you�ve been beating the drums for months about suing PSA. Surely you must have a bunch of clients by now, no? After all who would potential litigants go to but you? When I was talking about Mastro�s fraud I had a number of Net 54 members who hired me to go after Mastro and his co-conspirators and multiple people got six figures back from them. So how many have you signed up?

I would like to go after PSA, but I suspect "They made all the cards I want more expensive" isn't going to really work to show I have any actual damages....Especially since they've made the cards I do own more expensive as well.

1952boyntoncollector · #12 10-01-2019, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

You’re a civil lawyer and you’ve been beating the drums for months about suing PSA. Surely you must have a bunch of clients by now, no? After all who would potential litigants go to but you? When I was talking about Mastro’s fraud I had a number of Net 54 members who hired me to go after Mastro and his co-conspirators and multiple people got six figures back from them. So how many have you signed up?

My point is that there is nothing wrong really (and not to the extent of a mass issue ) because there are no lawsuits. Mastro fraud i agree there was something going on and thats why there were many people filing lawsuits/claims for lots of money

In this trimming issue there are no lawsuits so all of these complaining on the board seems odd considering there are no lawsuits. If it was such a big deal why arent there lawsuits. It appears everyone is getting paid back and/or happy is my point. Its been a long enough wait at this point for something to have happened. You are making my point. Thanks

calvindog · #13 10-01-2019, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

My point is that there is nothing wrong really (and not to the extent of a mass issue ) because there are no lawsuits. Mastro fraud i agree there was something going on and thats why there were many people filing lawsuits/claims for lots of money

In this trimming issue there are no lawsuits so all of these complaining on the board seems odd considering there are no lawsuits. If it was such a big deal why arent there lawsuits. It appears everyone is getting paid back and/or happy is my point. Its been a long enough wait at this point for something to have happened. You are making my point. Thanks

There was one lawsuit against Mastro and it was a countersuit -- I know because I brought it. And many miserable victims, many of whom got paid back without having to resort to litigation. This is how it works sometimes, understood at least by most competent lawyers.

As for my point, the reason you aren't getting any calls from any potential litigants against PSA is, well, I think we both know. Even the second biggest dullard on the board understands.

Fuddjcal · #14 09-30-2019, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by griffon512

so you've verified that of the 805 and counting people that have gotten ill or died related to vaping all are related to counterfeit rather than brand name cartridges? a lot of pulmonologists would disagree with you. do you vape or in some way benefit from the vaping industry?

I believe the "pesticide pens" are not tested at the very least making people sick. The ones at the store by me are at least lab tested so there are no pesticides. They are all fake.

Maybe we should ban cigarettes? A few more than 805 have gotten ill or died from those. More like 500,000 confirmed deaths.....EVERY YEAR. Verify that.

Still, there are fake cards in slabs everywhere. Just look at your own collection and half are fake.

griffon512 · #15 09-30-2019, 12:12 PM

there's plenty of alterations out there but I don't agree that half of collections out there are fake. if you truly believe that, pm me your vintage card collection in slabs and I'll buy it from you for 55% of market value. that would be a good deal since it's only worth half of market value if half are fake. I don't understand the point of continuing in the hobby and continuing on the message board if you hate the hobby (you've stated this in the past) and think half the cards are fake. Why not do yourself a favor and get out of the hobby altogether?

perezfan · #16 09-30-2019, 02:14 PM

It’s probably a little more complicated than that. A complex love/hate relationship...

Kind of like a Love for the hobby, but hatred for those who have made it be all about money, greed, ego, ripping people off, favoritism, denial, turning a blind eye and shareholder profits.

Very difficult to completely abandon something you’ve loved and poured your heart into for many years/decades.

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