Outed cards, now including a 130K gain on an Aaron rookie

calvindog · #1 10-03-2019, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

there you go. Another post that you know all the answers and another insult. What a surprise.

You have your own narrative and you dont factor in anything. I understand you are making your argument and have a client in this issue. Nobody knows everything. I never said this is a non-issue, i always said theres there is an issue. I just said there are issues where lawsuits are involved and issues where lawsuits are not involved.

To me, i think thats a big difference. I would think in the HOF of the biggest scams in the world where people are wronged and lost tons of money and were all unhappy a lawsuit would be filed whether now or 3 years from now. People are saying that in time it will happen, I am just saying theres a good chance there wont if everyone is satisfied to a degree/dont care that nobody will file lawsuit.

I can spare you your next post. Jake- people in grade school know more than you. I am great, look at how i bully and insult.

You're Peter Chao. I don't think you're malignant but you proudly wave around your ignorance as if it is supposed to impress someone.

Sometimes it makes sense to listen to people who know more than you on an issue, who have actual experience on an issue, who are involved in the issue.

Again, and I'll type this slowly for you: litigation does not need to be brought in order for victims to be made whole. The number of lawsuits brought is not directly related to the harm perceived or suffered. Yes, this is grade school common sense of which non-lawyers on the board seem to understand well.

The fact that I have a client involved would suggest that I would be looking to downplay what occurred here. I am not. For an obvious reason. Again, and s l o w l y: what occurred here rocks the foundation of the hobby. Lawsuits or no lawsuits will not change that.

tschock · #2 10-03-2019, 09:57 AM

To paraphrase Barbie. Lawyering is hard.
All this civil suit discussion has got me wondering if I need to file a civil suit against the grocery store for the bag of bad apples they sold me. Do I need a retainer? And if so, how much with that run?

1952boyntoncollector · #3 10-10-2019, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

You're Peter Chao. I don't think you're malignant but you proudly wave around your ignorance as if it is supposed to impress someone.

Sometimes it makes sense to listen to people who know more than you on an issue, who have actual experience on an issue, who are involved in the issue.

Again, and I'll type this slowly for you: litigation does not need to be brought in order for victims to be made whole. The number of lawsuits brought is not directly related to the harm perceived or suffered. Yes, this is grade school common sense of which non-lawyers on the board seem to understand well.

The fact that I have a client involved would suggest that I would be looking to downplay what occurred here. I am not. For an obvious reason. Again, and s l o w l y: what occurred here rocks the foundation of the hobby. Lawsuits or no lawsuits will not change that.

I think you are Peter Chao (see how it looks when you say that).

You said what occurred rocked the foundation of the hobby. Do you mean the buyer or the sellers or both? Are prices at auctions getting rocked now versus before. Less submissions to PSA? No lines to get cards graded? The stock price for collector universe has gotten rocked? We already know no lawsuits.

Please advise as to how the foundation has been rocked. Ill say it slowly 'R o c k ed'

perezfan · #4 10-10-2019, 03:06 PM

Poor Peter Chao...

Looks like his infamous legacy will never end here. Hope he found a friendlier and more accepting place to hang out.

Rich Klein · #5 10-10-2019, 03:09 PM

Peter has not done much with his linked in profile -- but if you are interested in chatting with him: And yes, this is HIS profile

https://www.linkedin.com/in/peter-chao-71a84863/

Regards
Rich

Peter_Spaeth · #6 10-10-2019, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan

Poor Peter Chao...

Looks like his infamous legacy will never end here. Hope he found a friendlier and more accepting place to hang out.

Nor should it end. His Virginia Tech thread, which I linked to someplace recently, will never be matched.

Nor, for that matter, will his question why Joe Jackson didn't get hurt if he played without shoes.

calvindog · #7 10-10-2019, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I think you are Peter Chao (see how it looks when you say that).

You said what occurred rocked the foundation of the hobby. Do you mean the buyer or the sellers or both? Are prices at auctions getting rocked now versus before. Less submissions to PSA? No lines to get cards graded? The stock price for collector universe has gotten rocked? We already know no lawsuits.

Please advise as to how the foundation has been rocked. Ill say it slowly 'R o c k ed'

You�re an idiot and have the legal acumen of a flea. Which is why you are the only civil litigator aggressively discussing lawsuits against PSA and your own mother wouldn�t hire you. No one with any grey matter on this board will. You simply have no common sense. (See how it looks when I say that?)

1952boyntoncollector · #8 10-11-2019, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

You’re an idiot and have the legal acumen of a flea. Which is why you are the only civil litigator aggressively discussing lawsuits against PSA and your own mother wouldn’t hire you. No one with any grey matter on this board will. You simply have no common sense. (See how it looks when I say that?)

well this idiot predicted you would bully on your posts and attempt to belittle.

Surprised you would resort to a 'your mother' joke. Guess thats why you are so expensive. Such original insults. I am not sure what yo mean about aggressively discussing lawsuits against PSA

I have been discussing the opposite. Have I not stated a number of times that I guess everyone is satisfied/refunded that NO lawsuits have been filed.

It seems you are the one that is stating that the hobby has been rocked and just because there are no lawsuits its a HUGE issue and worthy of litigation or other major fix. I also asked the questions about whether past sales at auctions shows how bad the hobby has been rocked as you stated which you didnt answer. I dont think recent auction sales reflect that. Thats a position that would be contra to discussing lawsuits.

It sounds like from what you are saying that you are encouraging aggressively discussing lawsuits. (see how that sounds) You just keep making up your own narrative no matter what i state and be a bully.

Also its interesting you yourself were critical of PWCC (one would think you were looking for clients) and now you represent them

Peter C lives!

calvindog · #9 10-11-2019, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

well this idiot predicted you would bully on your posts and attempt to belittle.

Surprised you would resort to a 'your mother' joke. Guess thats why you are so expensive. Such original insults. I am not sure what yo mean about aggressively discussing lawsuits against PSA

I have been discussing the opposite. Have I not stated a number of times that I guess everyone is satisfied/refunded that NO lawsuits have been filed.

It seems you are the one that is stating that the hobby has been rocked and just because there are no lawsuits its a HUGE issue and worthy of litigation or other major fix. I also asked the questions about whether past sales at auctions shows how bad the hobby has been rocked as you stated which you didnt answer. I dont think recent auction sales reflect that. Thats a position that would be contra to discussing lawsuits. It sounds like from what you are saying that you are encouraging aggressively discussing lawsuits
(see how that sounds)

Peter C lives!

Jake, I'm expensive due to supply and demand. For the same reason you barely exist in the legal world.

These issues are very obvious to everyone on the board but you. Again, everyone is not satisfied or happy just because no lawsuits are filed. If everyone is satisfied and happy, why is there a present criminal investigation occurring? No harm, no foul, right? Why is there a statute of limitations on lawsuits? Why not just make the limitation period 3 months? Because that's all anyone needs to determine if they are satisfied and happy on a legal dispute, right?

The ramifications of the card alteration scandal will not be fully appreciated for a while as again everyone knows this but you. When enough 'before' pictures are outed and start causing most high grade cards to no longer be able to be sold, do you think that is a non-issue? And they can't be cracked out and resubmitted because the cards will just be outed again. If PSA is required to start replacing numerically cards from the registry and turning them into As, do you think this doesn't affect the hobby?

Do you think this is over just because one dullard says so?

And I'm sorry I hurt your feelings by calling you an idiot.

Peter_Spaeth · #10 10-11-2019, 11:08 AM

In my opinion the majority of altered cards are never going to be outed because they were purchased raw. Whether enough are going to be outed anyhow that destroy confidence in TPG high grade slabs altogether, we'll see.

Rhotchkiss · #11 10-11-2019, 11:57 AM

Was Mastro still operating biz as usual while under investigation, and if so, how long did that go on until Mastro closed up?

benjulmag · #12 10-11-2019, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Whether enough are going to be outed anyhow that destroy confidence in TPG high grade slabs altogether, we'll see.

This to me is the 64 thousand dollar question. And it is very unclear to me that anything short of a new TPG that uses as part of its business model the outing of high grade slabbed cards in order to attract market share, confidence in the PSA slab will ever be impacted enough to provide the needed financial incentive to induce the type of litigation that could threaten PSA.

1952boyntoncollector · #13 10-12-2019, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

Jake, I'm expensive due to supply and demand. For the same reason you barely exist in the legal world.

These issues are very obvious to everyone on the board but you. Again, everyone is not satisfied or happy just because no lawsuits are filed. If everyone is satisfied and happy, why is there a present criminal investigation occurring? No harm, no foul, right? Why is there a statute of limitations on lawsuits? Why not just make the limitation period 3 months? Because that's all anyone needs to determine if they are satisfied and happy on a legal dispute, right?

Some states have 1 year or 2 statue of limitations by the way. Yeah can argue federal and other ways to pursue a case but why let your statute SOL blow if this issue is rocking the hobby.

The ramifications of the card alteration scandal will not be fully appreciated for a while as again everyone knows this but you. When enough 'before' pictures are outed and start causing most high grade cards to no longer be able to be sold, do you think that is a non-issue? And they can't be cracked out and resubmitted because the cards will just be outed again. If PSA is required to start replacing numerically cards from the registry and turning them into As, do you think this doesn't affect the hobby?

Do you think this is over just because one dullard says so?

And I'm sorry I hurt your feelings by calling you an idiot.

right so now you saying the statute of limitations didnt expire so its still early for lawsuits. What about 3 months before the statute of limitations or a year. I dont know about you but most lawyers dont wait until right before the statute of limitations to file anything as there is added risk such blowing an issue and thus blowing the statute or class action occurs earlier and there is no opt out along with hundreds of other problems in waiting to the last minute etc

The fact you are mentioning statute of limitations being an issue as to why no lawsuits have been filed does prove that you do think lawsuits would be filed since this current scandal is a huge issue but only because enough time has not passed no lawsuits have been filed. If lawsuits or not didnt mean anything why bother to bring up the statute of limitations.

So its not absurd I am bringing up the fact that no lawsuits have been filed. 2 years from now, if still no lawsuits are filed, would you then agree that its far from rocking the hobby in that it would appear most people are happy/refunded with the outcome..

Its ok you said i am an idiot....you spent time to write that and there is much supply and demand for your services so your time in so expensive that you still took what little free time you have to call me names and make a your mama joke. i am honored. Peter C lives..

samosa4u · #14 10-12-2019, 04:34 PM

Somebody trimmed AND recolored an $18,000 USD card?

You have to have a REALLY large set of balls to do that - larger than Tony Montana's.

calvindog · #15 10-12-2019, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

right so now you saying the statute of limitations didnt expire so its still early for lawsuits. What about 3 months before the statute of limitations or a year. I dont know about you but most lawyers dont wait until right before the statute of limitations to file anything as there is added risk such blowing an issue and thus blowing the statute or class action occurs earlier and there is no opt out along with hundreds of other problems in waiting to the last minute etc

The fact you are mentioning statute of limitations being an issue as to why no lawsuits have been filed does prove that you do think lawsuits would be filed since this current scandal is a huge issue but only because enough time has not passed no lawsuits have been filed. If lawsuits or not didnt mean anything why bother to bring up the statute of limitations.

So its not absurd I am bringing up the fact that no lawsuits have been filed. 2 years from now, if still no lawsuits are filed, would you then agree that its far from rocking the hobby in that it would appear most people are happy/refunded with the outcome..

Its ok you said i am an idiot....you spent time to write that and there is much supply and demand for your services so your time in so expensive that you still took what little free time you have to call me names and make a your mama joke. i am honored. Peter C lives..

I'm saying that the lawsuit issue is meaningless. That the lack of them does not mean people are happy. My point by noting that statutes of limits exist is to explain that not everyone who can sue MUST sue immediately as you are suggesting. How you, allegedly a lawyer who may have one client, cannot see this is stunning. I scored a $4.35 million settlement on a claim recently with a single letter. No lawsuit. Does that mean my client was thrilled because she didn't file a lawsuit? Do you not understand how this works? Ask Mastro's co-conspirators who paid my clients six figures if they felt a lawsuit was necessary to get them to pay back money they stole.

And if you don't mind me calling you an idiot, then I will again. You're an idiot. And yeah, I always have time for pointing this out, although, again, that no one from here hires a crack civil litigator like yourself surely makes clear I'm not alone in my opinion.

1952boyntoncollector · #16 11-20-2019, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

You're Peter Chao. I don't think you're malignant but you proudly wave around your ignorance as if it is supposed to impress someone.

Sometimes it makes sense to listen to people who know more than you on an issue, who have actual experience on an issue, who are involved in the issue.

Again, and I'll type this slowly for you: litigation does not need to be brought in order for victims to be made whole. The number of lawsuits brought is not directly related to the harm perceived or suffered. Yes, this is grade school common sense of which non-lawyers on the board seem to understand well.

The fact that I have a client involved would suggest that I would be looking to downplay what occurred here. I am not. For an obvious reason. Again, and s l o w l y: what occurred here rocks the foundation of the hobby. Lawsuits or no lawsuits will not change that.

Here is the first time Peter C is invoked by him. It made no sense then and makes no sense now. Thats why to show how absurd the comment was i started calling him Peter C to show how silly his comment was and still is. However, it was only in response to his original comment that you can see here.

Peter_Spaeth · #17 11-20-2019, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Here is the first time Peter C is invoked by him. It made no sense then and makes no sense now. Thats why to show how absurd the comment was i started calling him Peter C to show how silly his comment was and still is. However, it was only in response to his original comment that you can see here.

Why do you insist on making this thread which I started to identify outed cards all about yourself?

1952boyntoncollector · #18 11-20-2019, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Why do you insist on making this thread which I started to identify outed cards all about yourself?

My comments are clearly not all about myself, however if someone tries to bully with insults, i am not sure why you would not let me respond. You dont have a problem with someone hurling insults on your thread?

I have a number of posts just about the outed cards, he is the only one that cares to make insults and you have no problems with his comments apparently. Others have commented that if the cards or hobby interests are questioned, all we hear about is being called an idiot.

Yes, takes two to tango..however whatever i am guilty of, he is more than equal. Lets this be the end of it.

samosa4u · #19 11-20-2019, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

My comments are clearly not all about myself, however if someone tries to bully with insults, i am not sure why you would not let me respond. You dont have a problem with someone hurling insults on your thread?

Yeah, because you keep calling him out!

This whole thing between you and Jeff reminds me of elementary school back in the 1990s. There was this tough Polish immigrant by the name of Benek who I got along very well with. Now one Canadian-born dude (can't remember his name - let's call him Chris) had some beef with him. They fought in the soccer field and Benek beat the sh*t outta' him. Chris never forgot about it. A week later Chris called him out again. Benek tried to ignore him, but he wouldn't stop, so then Benek kicked his a** again during recess, but nope, it still wasn't over for Chris. I even remember one Saturday afternoon, Chris and a few buddies went to Benek's house (near the school) and he called him out. Benek was in the middle of his lunch, so he put down his sandwich and went outside, and yep, he kicked the sh*t outta' him again. This went on for the whole year! LOL!

1952boyntoncollector · #20 11-20-2019, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by samosa4u

Yeah, because you keep calling him out!

This whole thing between you and Jeff reminds me of elementary school back in the 1990s. There was this tough Polish immigrant by the name of Benek who I got along very well with. Now one Canadian-born dude (can't remember his name - let's call him Chris) had some beef with him. They fought in the soccer field and Benek beat the sh*t outta' him. Chris never forgot about it. A week later Chris called him out again. Benek tried to ignore him, but he wouldn't stop, so then Benek kicked his a** again during recess, but nope, it still wasn't over for Chris. I even remember one Saturday afternoon, Chris and a few buddies went to Benek's house (near the school) and he called him out. Benek was in the middle of his lunch, so he put down his sandwich and went outside, and yep, he kicked the sh*t outta' him again. This went on for the whole year! LOL!

Cool, poor Chris, sounds like he was a bully though. (he came with a bunch of supporters against one guy who was by himself)....you should of picked up a bunch of Brady RCs in 1990...

samosa4u · #21 11-20-2019, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Cool, poor Chris, sounds like he was a bully though.....you should of picked up a bunch of Brady RCs in 1990...

I had no money back then. My dad had a very good job, but he only gave me $10 a week. I hated it back then, but today I thank him for it. It's never good to spoil your kids. I have one daughter now and I don't spoil her.

And I always liked Peyton Manning more than Brady. His SP Authentic rookie is one of the best-looking cards I have ever seen. It reminds me of the 1952 Topps Mantle. You see the sky in the background and he is looking up at the heavens.

Peter_Spaeth · #22 11-20-2019, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Cool, poor Chris, sounds like he was a bully though. (he came with a bunch of supporters against one guy who was by himself)....you should of picked up a bunch of Brady RCs in 1990...

That would have been tough given that they were issued in 2000.

bnorth · #23 11-20-2019, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by samosa4u

Yeah, because you keep calling him out!

This whole thing between you and Jeff reminds me of elementary school back in the 1990s. There was this tough Polish immigrant by the name of Benek who I got along very well with. Now one Canadian-born dude (can't remember his name - let's call him Chris) had some beef with him. They fought in the soccer field and Benek beat the sh*t outta' him. Chris never forgot about it. A week later Chris called him out again. Benek tried to ignore him, but he wouldn't stop, so then Benek kicked his a** again during recess, but nope, it still wasn't over for Chris. I even remember one Saturday afternoon, Chris and a few buddies went to Benek's house (near the school) and he called him out. Benek was in the middle of his lunch, so he put down his sandwich and went outside, and yep, he kicked the sh*t outta' him again. This went on for the whole year! LOL!

I am a little older, I was thinking early 70's. Kinda like 2 fine young gentlemen wearing their protective headgear while riding on a small sunshine coloured bus while arguing about the sound the colour green makes when you lick it.

perezfan · #24 11-20-2019, 03:37 PM

The "Battle of the Chaos" is pretty entertaining, and a few of Jeff's posts made me laugh out loud today. But it does distract and dilute the importance of this thread.

So perhaps a new thread could be devoted to the net54 version of the Hatfields and McCoys.

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