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Old 10-28-2019, 01:07 PM
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I hope someone will contact SGC about this!
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Old 10-28-2019, 01:58 PM
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It takes some giant "berries" to doctor some of these already high-end cards. I cant imagine taking a risk on a PSA 8 Gehrig.
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Old 10-28-2019, 02:18 PM
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That card was a ugly PSA 8 the first time.
For this card to be trimmed this badly and to get a 9 with SGC that looks bad.....real bad.
Would like to know two things;
Whom submitted the card for grading to SGC?
Will SGC honor their guarantee, buy the card back reholder it properly in a A.
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Old 10-28-2019, 03:16 PM
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that doctor sure "centered" that gehrig right up!!!
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Old 10-28-2019, 05:27 PM
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That card was a ugly PSA 8 the first time.
For this card to be trimmed this badly and to get a 9 with SGC that looks bad.....real bad.
Would like to know two things;
Whom submitted the card for grading to SGC?
Will SGC honor their guarantee, buy the card back reholder it properly in a A.
Restitution for that Gehrig Card alone might bankrupt SGC. I wonder what (if anything) they’ll do if legal recourse is pursued? And who makes this enormous claim? The consignor? The “winning” bidder? Heritage? The person who sold it to the consignor?

What a mess. Just once it would be nice to hear from a major auction house, with specific action that was actually taken to resolve one of these issues. The silence is becoming deafening, and is sucking the trust right out of the hobby.
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Old 10-28-2019, 05:35 PM
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Restitution for that Gehrig Card alone might bankrupt SGC. I wonder what (if anything) they’ll do if legal recourse is pursued? And who makes this enormous claim? The consignor? The “winning” bidder? Heritage? The person who sold it to the consignor?

What a mess. Just once it would be nice to hear from a major auction house, with specific action that was actually taken to resolve one of these issues. The silence is becoming deafening, and is sucking the trust right out of the hobby.
Agree....
Who sent the card in for grading and who consigned the card ? If someone knowingly alters a card in bad faith to defraud the TPG breaking their good faith clause wouldn’t said grader have civil monetary restitution suit against submitter ? Or is that all BS too ?
Finger pointing and coverup to follow. Or even worse the owner loves the card no issues...guess that’s
The same as cover up.
So many theories all very interesting and extremely saddening.
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Old 10-29-2019, 01:05 PM
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Two days until the next CLCT earnings release and conference call. No doubt there will be some very tough analyst questions .... not. No doubt Joe will have a candid discussion of the scandal.... not.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/colle...130005352.html

Meanwhile the stock is flirting with 30. Anyone want to short it? LOL.
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Old 10-29-2019, 02:07 PM
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Two days until the next CLCT earnings release and conference call. No doubt there will be some very tough analyst questions .... not. No doubt Joe will have a candid discussion of the scandal.... not.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/colle...130005352.html

Meanwhile the stock is flirting with 30. Anyone want to short it? LOL.
Here's a short video from their public relations agent reassuring everyone all is well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAmPIq29ro
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Peter, you should consider working on Wall Street with that precise call on the short. Down over $3 today. Any other winners you want to share with us?


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Two days until the next CLCT earnings release and conference call. No doubt there will be some very tough analyst questions .... not. No doubt Joe will have a candid discussion of the scandal.... not.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/colle...130005352.html

Meanwhile the stock is flirting with 30. Anyone want to short it? LOL.
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Old 10-29-2019, 03:13 PM
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Restitution for that Gehrig Card alone might bankrupt SGC. I wonder what (if anything) they’ll do if legal recourse is pursued? And who makes this enormous claim? The consignor? The “winning” bidder? Heritage? The person who sold it to the consignor?

What a mess. Just once it would be nice to hear from a major auction house, with specific action that was actually taken to resolve one of these issues. The silence is becoming deafening, and is sucking the trust right out of the hobby.
so the claims are either too small (under 10,000) according to 'Peter C' or they are too enormous...
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Old 10-29-2019, 04:20 PM
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Sadly the high end graded card market must crash first for any of this to positively recover and move in the proper direction. Right now it’s all a Fraud.
I’m not insane I’m just keeping it real to the bottom line.
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Old 10-29-2019, 06:06 PM
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so the claims are either too small (under 10,000) according to 'Peter C' or they are too enormous...
And you’re still a bottom-feeding idiot both in the legal profession and the hobby. Actually the Gehrig card is being addressed. But you don’t know how because, well, you don’t matter.
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Old 10-29-2019, 06:13 PM
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I am glad to hear something is being done about the Gehrig. Slabbing the mini-Goudey was not S_C's finest hour.
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Old 10-29-2019, 07:48 PM
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Actually the Gehrig card is being addressed... And the Hull is as well.
Can you explain what you mean by "addressed"? I'm inferring refunded and then provided to the FBI and/or reholdered as AUTH, but it could mean something else.
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Old 10-30-2019, 09:52 AM
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And you’re still a bottom-feeding idiot both in the legal profession and the hobby. Actually the Gehrig card is being addressed. But you don’t know how because, well, you don’t matter.
Another bully comment, nice one Peter C.

Glad to see now they you are volunteering previously unknown information to the board as being 'addressed' I am sure you will advise exactly how it was addressed as that would be the point of it. Everything in life is being 'addressed'.

Anyway, if it can be addressed where everybody is happy and no lawsuit needs to be filed then that would be the best option..
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And you’re still a bottom-feeding idiot both in the legal profession and the hobby. Actually the Gehrig card is being addressed. But you don’t know how because, well, you don’t matter.
As an actual bottom feeder in the hobby.... I'm slightly offended.

Now where did my monster box of 88 score get to?
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Old 12-01-2019, 07:16 AM
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And you’re still a bottom-feeding idiot both in the legal profession and the hobby. Actually the Gehrig card is being addressed. But you don’t know how because, well, you don’t matter.
So was that Gehrig card 'addressed' or is this info you cant share.... .......you made a a big point that this altered gehrig card was 'being addressed' was it?

You will probably start with an insult but it was you that volunteered the card with 'being addressed' I am only asking you something in which you volunteered information and asking for a follow up, not sure what is wrong with that...
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[QUOTE=Throttlesteer;1926894]It takes some giant "berries" to doctor some of these already high-end cards. I cant imagine taking a risk on a PSA 8 Gehrig.[/QUOT

What if they are not taking a chance? What if somehow the submitter knows ahead of time the grade that will be assigned by a specific grader or graders by one of the tpg's. Hmmmm.
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Old 10-28-2019, 03:21 PM
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I hope someone will contact SGC about this!
Perhaps one of Heritage's friends will contact them so they can do nothing about it.
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