Outed cards, now including a 130K gain on an Aaron rookie

[Rhotchkiss]

It appears the auction was taken down. Once again, the guys at BODA are total rockstars and heroes of the hobby. I am glad for them bc clearly PSA is wholly inept.

Go BODA! Thanks for all your hard work.

Side note/thought - what if everyone kicked in $50 or $100 each year and we, as a hobby, hired BODA, and some guys trained by BODA, to just troll auctions and listings and out cards that appear to be altered. In other-words, the hobby voluntarily funds a watchdog TPG for the benefit of the hobby. Obviously it needs thought and there are many operational issues, not the least of which is funding, but I, for one, would contribute to that cause.

[Johnny630]

How about all pitch in for a large table/both at EVERY MAJOR CARD SHOW ACROSS THE COUNTY TO SET UP WITH A LARGE SCREEN COMPUTER/TV ILLUSTRATING EVERY ALTERED SLABED CARD DISCOVERED BY THE BODA. IN THE FRONT OF THE ROOM ENTRANCE OR BETTER YET RIGHT NEXT TO THE LARGEST TPG IN THE INDUSTY. RUN IT CONSTANTLY THROUGH OUT THE WHOLE HOURS OF THE SHOW

[JunkyJoe]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

It appears the auction was taken down. Once again, the guys at BODA are total rockstars and heroes of the hobby. I am glad for them bc clearly PSA is wholly inept.

Go BODA! Thanks for all your hard work.

Side note/thought - what if everyone kicked in $50 or $100 each year and we, as a hobby, hired BODA, and some guys trained by BODA, to just troll auctions and listings and out cards that appear to be altered. In other-words, the hobby voluntarily funds a watchdog TPG for the benefit of the hobby. Obviously it needs thought and there are many operational issues, not the least of which is funding, but I, for one, would contribute to that cause.

I'm all for this. Of course, it would take a lot more than contributions from just the members here. I'm thinking, across the hobby, there are at least a few hundred, maybe a thousand collectors, who'd be willing to pitch in something. Many might only be willing or able to pitch in $50 or $100 per year, while a few high rollers might be willing to pitch in thousands of dollars. I could imagine around $80K to $100K being raised every year, realistically. Maybe even more?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by JunkyJoe

I'm all for this. Of course, it would take a lot more than contributions from just the members here. I'm thinking, across the hobby, there are at least a few hundred, maybe a thousand collectors, who'd be willing to pitch in something. Many might only be willing or able to pitch in $50 or $100 per year, while a few high rollers might be willing to pitch in thousands of dollars. I could imagine around $80K to $100K being raised every year, realistically. Maybe even more?

what about an auction house with integrity who is actually making a ton on the card to take some of those months of wait time while taking in cards to research it more than a guy like Boda thats making nothing..

can even be researched before shipping the card to the buyer....especially for cards that sell for a certain number such as 5k +

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

It appears the auction was taken down. Once again, the guys at BODA are total rockstars and heroes of the hobby. I am glad for them bc clearly PSA is wholly inept.

Go BODA! Thanks for all your hard work.

Side note/thought - what if everyone kicked in $50 or $100 each year and we, as a hobby, hired BODA, and some guys trained by BODA, to just troll auctions and listings and out cards that appear to be altered. In other-words, the hobby voluntarily funds a watchdog TPG for the benefit of the hobby. Obviously it needs thought and there are many operational issues, not the least of which is funding, but I, for one, would contribute to that cause.

A number of people probably would contribute. But who's going to organize it? Over the years we've had lots of talk about forming a trade association but it's always someone else's job to actually do it.

[Johnny630]

I’m all for the above.

[perezfan]

It’s become readily apparent that none of the leading hobby businesses care a lick about the consumer, who happens to be their life-blood. Only dollars, market share and profits resonate with them. So unfortunately it is us collectors who have to look out for one another.

I don’t know what a booth at the National costs. But if someone at BODA can get it off the ground, I’ll contribute $100 towards the continuous loop video showing the thousands of examples of altered cards in PSA Slabs. Given PSA’s money, power and status within the Industry, I’m sure they’d find a way to squelch it very quickly (similar to how they censor/delete valid concerns in their own Forum).

Even though we’re all well versed on the problems and corruption, I would estimate that 98% of submitting collectors remain unaware. This could help to spread the word far better than anything that’s been done to date. It would have bigger impact in Chicago than AC, so there’s about a year and a half to get it going, should someone at BODA want to take it on.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Same here. It’s become readily apparent that none of the leading hobby businesses care a lick about the consumer, who happens to be their life-blood. Only dollars, market share and profits resonate with them. So unfortunately it is us collectors who have to look out for one another.

I don’t know what a booth at the National costs. But if someone at BODA can get it off the ground, I’ll contribute $100 towards the continuous loop video showing the thousands of examples of altered cards in PSA Slabs. Given PSA’s money, power and status within the Industry, I’m sure they’d find a way to squelch it very quickly (similar to how they censor/delete valid concerns in their own Forum).

Even though we’re all well versed on the problems and corruption, I would estimate that 98% of submitting collectors remain unaware. This could help to spread the word far better than anything that’s been done to date. It would have bigger impact in Chicago than AC, so there’s about a year and a half to get it going, should someone at BODA want to take it on.

+1 I have $100 Bill Ready For that Booth in Atlantic City and every other National Location Chicago and Cleveland. Plus the other major shows, east coast national, winter madness at White Plains, Philly every show, Shriners, Sun Times, Every Single Major Large Show Where NB is Set Up.

[Johnny630]

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...90614&page=235


Lajoie Horrendous

This would be a perfect example, amongst thousands of other disgraced graded cards to show on Display at every card show next to their booth.......
This is the opinion you’re paying for....think twice

[Peter_Spaeth]

Ugh. Hopefully one of our centering mavens didn't buy it, or if they did they will see the post and return the thing.

[mq711]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...90614&page=235


Lajoie Horrendous

This would be a perfect example, amongst thousands of other disgraced graded cards to show on Display at every card show next to their booth.......
This is the opinion you’re paying for....think twice

I would think this card/grade gives credibility to those who believe PSA is involved in this scheme. A PSA 5 without a corner, most would get a 3.5 at best.

[WhenItWasAHobby]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...90614&page=235


Lajoie Horrendous

This would be a perfect example, amongst thousands of other disgraced graded cards to show on Display at every card show next to their booth.......
This is the opinion you’re paying for....think twice

Nice! A one point bump with more visible damage. Nothing out of PSA surprises me anymore.

[JunkyJoe]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

A number of people probably would contribute. But who's going to organize it? Over the years we've had lots of talk about forming a trade association but it's always someone else's job to actually do it.

I think one way to organize would be to have various hobby veterans from across the country meet up at the national one of these years --- hobby veterans from forums / online communities such as Net54, Blowout, and others. These longtime collectors and highly-reputable dealers could meet at a reserved venue somewhere near the national.

I think this would have to start with emails between the owners and moderators of these Internet venues, as well as longtime collectors reaching out to others they know in the hobby who would be interested in supporting the cause.