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oldjudge · #1 12-15-2019, 12:17 PM

If the card wouldn't sell for over $100,000 as a PSA1 it should not be on the list. This eliminates the Plank.

JackW · #2 12-15-2019, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by oldjudge

If the card wouldn't sell for over $100,000 as a PSA1 it should not be on the list. This eliminates the Plank.

Valid point.

Baseball Rarities · #3 12-15-2019, 02:08 PM

Here is my list. This is assuming that we are not including CDVs and Cabinets that were produced by private studios.

Also, if we are omitting unique cards, then I would switch the 1893 Just So Young with a 1903 E107 Wagner.

1887 N172 Anson In Uniform
1893 Just So Young
1903 E107 Mathewson
1907 W600 Cobb
1909 T206 Doyle NY NL
1909 T206 Wagner
1909-11 T206 Cobb with Cobb Back
1910 T210 Jackson
1914 Baltimore News Ruth
1916 M101-5/4 Ruth

oldjudge · #4 12-15-2019, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities

Here is my list. This is assuming that we are not including CDVs and Cabinets that were produced by private studios.

Also, if we are omitting unique cards, then I would switch the 1893 Just So Young with a 1903 E107 Wagner.

1887 N172 Anson In Uniform
1893 Just So Young
1903 E107 Mathewson
1907 W600 Cobb
1909 T206 Doyle NY NL
1909 T206 Wagner
1909-11 T206 Cobb with Cobb Back
1910 T210 Jackson
1914 Baltimore News Ruth
1916 M101-5/4 Ruth

Hi Kevin-The 1860 Atlantic’s CdV has sold twice in the last five years(two different copies), both times for around $200,000. I don’t think the E107 Mathewson would go for that much. Otherwise, I like your list.
Steven-Good luck on your quest.

Baseball Rarities · #5 12-15-2019, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by oldjudge

Hi Kevin-The 1860 Atlantic’s CdV has sold twice in the last five years(two different copies), both times for around $200,000. I don’t think the E107 Mathewson would go for that much. Otherwise, I like your list.

Totally agree on the 1860 Atlantics CDV, but I left off CDVs and Cabinets produced that were produced and distributed by private studios. The two known 1891 Ryder Cabinets of Young have each sold for more than $100K in the last couple of years.

oldjudge · #6 12-15-2019, 02:45 PM

Oh, there are plenty of cards that have sold for over $100,000 that are not on the list, starting with quite a few California League Old Judges. They just have not approached the $200,000 mark. The Ryder Young has not approached that level either.

x2drich2000 · #7 12-15-2019, 02:45 PM

Not saying it should be on the list, but how far off do you think the W600 Wagner street clothes would be?

benjulmag · #8 12-15-2019, 02:54 PM

Three nobody has mentioned,

P&S Creighton
Four Base Hits Kelly
1863 Grand Match at Hoboken Harry Wright

All three of these IMO should be on any list.

robertsmithnocure · #9 12-15-2019, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by benjulmag

Three nobody has mentioned,

P&S Creighton
Four Base Hits Kelly
1863 Grand Match at Hoboken Harry Wright

All three of these IMO should be on any list.

Those are all great cards too. Is the Creighton a Peck and Snyder? I am not very familiar with the card, but the book that I have by Mark Rucker says that the photographer is unknown.

CuriousGeorge · #10 12-15-2019, 02:48 PM

On that cue Jay....

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Originally Posted by oldjudge

Hi Kevin-The 1860 Atlantic’s CdV has sold twice in the last five years(two different copies), both times for around $200,000. I don’t think the E107 Mathewson would go for that much. Otherwise, I like your list.
Steven-Good luck on your quest.

oldjudge · #11 12-15-2019, 02:52 PM

Steven-I love that CdV. It is a very important card and I believe very undervalued.

CuriousGeorge · #12 12-15-2019, 02:55 PM

I thought so too. I was kind of surprised it didn’t sell for more but I kind of chalked it up to being a little off the beaten path so perhaps less overall interest.

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Steven-I love that CdV. It is a very important card and I believe very undervalued.

robertsmithnocure · #13 12-15-2019, 02:59 PM

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On that cue Jay....

Great cards Steven. The condition of that 1860 Brooklyn Atlantic’s CDV is incredible. If I had an extra $180K laying around, that card would be my pick. I can’t believe that it did not sell for a premium over the low grade Authentic example.

CuriousGeorge · #14 12-15-2019, 03:10 PM

30 years working 7 days/week made it happen for me. Not sure this CDV made it worth it though lol!

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Great cards Steven. The condition of that 1860 Brooklyn Atlantic’s CDV is incredible. If I had an extra $180K laying around, that card would be my pick. I can’t believe that it did not sell for a premium over the low grade Authentic example.

oldjudge · #15 12-15-2019, 03:10 PM

Corey-I thought of adding the Creighton, but I didn’t know when it was issued (just after Creighton’s death or years later) so I did not include it. The Four Base Hits Kelly is a possibility. I don’t think the Grand Match ticket of Wright is worth enough to fall on the list. When it was listed in REA a few years ago it could not get an opening bid and was eventually pulled. I think it is a $50-$100,000 card which falls short in value. Two other possibilities are the Wright and Spalding Mort Rogers scorecards, but again they fall slightly short. Two other possibilities are the unique Ewing Kalamazoo Bat or the unique Ewing portrait N173. There is also the Peggy Popcorn Ruth.

rats60 · #16 12-15-2019, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities

Here is my list. This is assuming that we are not including CDVs and Cabinets that were produced by private studios.

Also, if we are omitting unique cards, then I would switch the 1893 Just So Young with a 1903 E107 Wagner.

1887 N172 Anson In Uniform
1893 Just So Young
1903 E107 Mathewson
1907 W600 Cobb
1909 T206 Doyle NY NL
1909 T206 Wagner
1909-11 T206 Cobb with Cobb Back
1910 T210 Jackson
1914 Baltimore News Ruth
1916 M101-5/4 Ruth

I believe the E107 Wagner is more than the E107 Mathewson. A SGC 1 Matty sold for 36k this year. A SGC A Wagner sold for 57k in 2016. I don't think you could find a Wagner for 36k today.

Baseball Rarities · #17 12-15-2019, 03:04 PM

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I believe the E107 Wagner is more than the E107 Mathewson. A SGC 1 Matty sold for 36k this year. A SGC A Wagner sold for 57k in 2016. I don't think you could find a Wagner for 36k today.

Yeah, you are definitely right. The E107 Wagner is a more expensive card than the Mathewson.

Thinking about it now, I would probably put Wagner's W600 Type 1 in Street Clothes on the list and omit the E107s.

CuriousGeorge · #18 12-15-2019, 03:10 PM

I don’t have the energy to post mine!

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Yeah, you are definitely right. The E107 Wagner is a more expensive card than the Mathewson.

Thinking about it now, I would probably put Wagner's W600 Type 1 in Street Clothes on the list and omit the E107s.

GaryPassamonte · #19 12-15-2019, 03:26 PM

It's nice to see interest in this thread. Some cards are obvious choices since there have been recent sales that attest to their current value, others may have not been sold in a number of years, so determining their current value is an educated guess.
Jay and Kevin, I think your lists are pretty close.
Jay- I like your idea of using $100K at a benchmark. I could reword the question to ask which cards have or possibly would sell for over $100K in a PSA 1. This might narrow the list.
Corey- I mentioned the Four Base Hits Kelly, but no one has included it on their list. It might be my favorite card.
Let's exclude cdvs, cabinets, and trade cards for this discussion. I think I'll start another thread asking a simialar question for these.

benjulmag · #20 12-15-2019, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GaryPassamonte

It's nice to see interest in this thread. Some cards are obvious choices since there have been recent sales that attest to their current value, others may have not been sold in a number of years, so determining their current value is an educated guess.
Jay and Kevin, I think your lists are pretty close.
Jay- I like your idea of using $100K at a benchmark. I could reword the question to ask which cards have or possibly would sell for over $100K in a PSA 1. This might narrow the list.
Corey- I mentioned the Four Base Hits Kelly, but no one has included it on their list. It might be my favorite card.
Let's exclude cdvs, cabinets, and trade cards for this discussion. I think I'll start another thread asking a simialar question for these.

Four Base Hits Kelly is my favorite card. Being a rare 19th century issue, it is a card many people probably do not know much about. But it captures that century's arguably greatest player at the absolute peak of his career in a pose taken from a known photo shoot. It is similar to the Just So Young in that the total population from the entire issue is very few, and any card, common or not, would command a hefty price.

oldjudge · #21 12-15-2019, 03:41 PM

Gary-With that caveat in mind this would be my list:

T206 Wagner
Baltimore News Ruth
Anson in Uniform
Just So Young
Cobb with Cobb back
T206 Doyle NY
Cobb W600
Ruth M101-5 Ad back (blank backs less valuable)
T210 Jackson
Kalamazoo Bats Ewing

The last one was a tough decision, but based on private sales I think it ekes out a spot over the Four Base Hits Kelly.