Outed cards, now including a 130K gain on an Aaron rookie

[Leon]

I know Sean pretty well and do not believe he will be found to be engaged in fraud. Any one of us could accidentally sell a bad TPG graded card which we didn't know was messed up.

[ullmandds]

aaaaaaaand...the cycle continues.

[Johnny630]

The collateral damage in terms of price value to graded cards is going to Significant.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

The collateral damage in terms of price value to graded cards is going to Significant.

One can hope...

[Rhotchkiss]

This should be its own thread.

I have dealt with Sean and he was a stand up guy. I fear he may be guilt by association. Regarding Mathis, I did one deal with him - I traded him a Manning and Brady rookie for a PSA 8, Allen and Ginters, Cap Anson, which I consigned to PSA (and got killed on). I hope that 8 wasn’t jacked - I don’t think it was - but based on the thread, I am afraid the Manning and Brady may have since been worked on and recirculated (zero clue or indication that they have). I will try to find pics of the Manning and Brady when I owned them to post.

Full disclosure, I am a broncos fan

Edited - here is a link to a pic of the Manning I used to own. I cannot find the Brady:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/156271...7689561527103/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/156271...7689561527103/

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

This should be its own thread.

I have dealt with Sean and he was a stand up guy. I fear he may be guilt by association. Regarding Mathis, I did one deal with him - I traded him a Manning and Brady rookie for a PSA 8, Allen and Ginters, Cap Anson, which I consigned to PSA (and got killed on). I hope that 8 wasn’t jacked - I don’t think it was - but based on the thread, I am afraid the Manning and Brady may have since been worked on and recirculated (zero clue or indication that they have). I will try to find pics of the Manning and Brady when I owned them to post.

Full disclosure, I am a broncos fan

Edited - here is a link to a pic of the Manning I used to own. I cannot find the Brady:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/156271...7689561527103/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/156271...7689561527103/

He sold a fake 400K Brady too. That's what scammers do... They scam.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

One can hope...

It will....

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Leon

I know Sean pretty well and do not believe he will be found to be engaged in fraud. Any one of us could accidentally sell a bad TPG graded card which we didn't know was messed up.

we'll that's true, considering at least half are fake, IMHO

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

we'll that's true, considering at least half are fake, IMHO

Settle down, Chuck .
I prefer to use the half glass full terminology and say most of TPG graded cards are good.
This whole debacle has just made it so much more relevant to not buy the holder and KNOW your cards, yourself.

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[phikappapsi]

There should be a grading company that simply assesses authenticity. No "grades". Just tell me if it's real so I can be 100% sure I'm not buying a reprint online. Beyond that. Every buyer can make their own determination on condition. At least then all the fraud would be above board.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by phikappapsi

There should be a grading company that simply assesses authenticity. No "grades". Just tell me if it's real so I can be 100% sure I'm not buying a reprint online. Beyond that. Every buyer can make their own determination on condition. At least then all the fraud would be above board.

AMEN!

I've been saying this exact thing for years. But nobody cares or agrees...

They're all too caught up in their Pops, 9s and 10s. I guess that somehow a third party randomly assigning a number grade (right or wrong) gives them a high of sorts.

Would love to see it all come crumbling down, but am not holding my breath.

[Republicaninmass]

Is there a prize for the most people posting a row on one's ignore list?

[perezfan]

I'd consider it a badge of honor to be on that list.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Is there a prize for the most people posting a row on one's ignore list?

Hi Ted.

Now if someone will quote this Ted can see it.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Leon

Settle down, Chuck .
I prefer to use the half glass full terminology and say most of TPG graded cards are good.
This whole debacle has just made it so much more relevant to not buy the holder and KNOW your cards, yourself.

.

That's more like it, you're right. Half are probably real!!

I'm usually not that negative, believe it or not