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Old 12-20-2019, 01:07 PM
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It’s really quite comical how many if not all of these scenarios play out exactly the same????
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Old 12-20-2019, 01:26 PM
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The fact that there's a millionaire celebrity Superbowl Champion in on the fraud illustrates just how deep the corruption runs. And it does not bode well for PSA, as all of the cards exposed just happen to be in their slabs.

I bet the FBI is finding connections behind the scenes that we never imagined existed. Still just the tip of the iceberg...
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Old 12-20-2019, 01:42 PM
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He made millions playing in the NFL and made a few mill selling that Mantle - why would he need to trim cards? Did he blow all his money away or something? Oh, and it looks like he is cracking jokes on BO. This whole thing is just messed up.
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Old 12-20-2019, 04:08 PM
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He made millions playing in the NFL and made a few mill selling that Mantle - why would he need to trim cards? Did he blow all his money away or something? Oh, and it looks like he is cracking jokes on BO. This whole thing is just messed up.
Reference my post yesterday in the sister thread about this (a couple years ago, he bought 10 '86 fleer basketball packs for $2 k each from Vintage Breaks)

So if he did that kind of big $ highly negative EV stuff often enough, the money would disappear fairly quick
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Old 12-20-2019, 04:52 PM
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Found this article

http://www.sportscardradio.com/forme...card-trimming/
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http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?p=1185990

AND found this thread (Thanks to BO) on the 700K 68 Ryan for sale in the PWCC fake VAULT

Look who made the last comment about this card when it was discussed here in 2014. You read that right, 2014. It's our own Evan Mathis, who claimed to be the owner of the card.

Please add another 700K to my 1-billion fraud estimate.

Over 4 million in trimmed cards outed just today. The level of this fraud is truly astounding but at least we know what's been going on now. Anyone else with their subs, pops, reviews, flips, and Registry are complete blithering IDIOTs for continuing on with these criminals. That's almost as funny as the scam itself.
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Old 12-20-2019, 08:12 PM
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Was Evan the guy who sold the PSA9 or 10 '52 Topps Mantle in Heritage?
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He made millions playing in the NFL and made a few mill selling that Mantle - why would he need to trim cards? Did he blow all his money away or something? Oh, and it looks like he is cracking jokes on BO. This whole thing is just messed up.
How do you know that he made a “few mill” on his 1952 Topps Mantle. Do you know how much he paid for it?
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It’s really quite comical how many if not all of these scenarios play out exactly the same????
Your comment makes me think about how a professional athlete typically reacts when getting caught using PED’s. Initial denial, comments around unintentionally taking something that was in cold medication or a supplement, having it all be a bunch of BS, and then serving the suspension or banishment.
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Your comment makes me think about how a professional athlete typically reacts when getting caught using PED’s. Initial denial, comments around unintentionally taking something that was in cold medication or a supplement, having it all be a bunch of BS, and then serving the suspension or banishment.
Bingo...

They are so used to being put on pedestals, treated like Gods, and given perks/preferential treatment, that they don't know how to respond when confronted on something real.

They think they can talk their way out of controversy with condescending language, because nobody has ever had the nerve to challenge or confront them. They've been conditioned by the adoring public, to think they're invincible, above the law, and immune from such wrongdoings and crimes.

Very much like the PED examples cited above.
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Darren Rovell tweeting about it.
Lots of comments including- what is card trimming
Still so many people who have absolutely no idea about any of this.
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Darren Rovell tweeting about it.
Lots of comments including- what is card trimming
Still so many people who have absolutely no idea about any of this.
Yup... maybe "celebrity involvement" is what it takes for people to eventually catch on to the scandal and the Third Party Grading sham.

Though CU stock is finally trending downward, perhaps more widespread publicity like this will finally get it to tank. If I were a shareholder, I'd be selling before this story inevitably hits the presses even bigger.
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Old 12-21-2019, 04:16 PM
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Sadly PSA is Teflon they will never be held accountable........ Emotions and Love of the Sport/Hobby cloud logic.

In my Opinion Investors will always be skeptical of this industry.....they’re going to find other hobbies for capital growth and appreciation. Ruined by Adam Henry’s
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Real bummer what has come out. I haven't bought a significant card in quite a while now...gun-shy. Even years ago, when I was in the T206 star card market, many cards just didn't look right sizewise & boarderwise. I often passed on suspect looking cards and waited for appropriate looking examples. Now it seems I pass altogether. Heck if I am going to pony up thousands for a single card now this situation has blown up. Just sucks. Sigh.
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