T206 Reference / Reflections.....Tuesday Nite Trivia

tedzan · #1 02-11-2020, 08:56 PM

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If any of you are considering an AB 460 run, shown here are the real tough cards in this T206 sub-set. And, Camnitz (hands over head) is extremely tough to find.

You will find the "Exclusive 12" subjects to be more available with the AB 460 backs than the other 62 subjects in this sub-set. Good Luck.

This Wiltse (cap) is extremely difficult to find. Certain cards displayed here are considerably tougher to find than others. Which suggests to me American Litho printed
the AB 460 cards in 3 separate stages. The Exclusive 12 print run....then a print run of about 30 moderately rare cards....and, about 30 more that are very rare cards.

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LOOKING for one more T206 card to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set (74 subjects)

CAMNITZ (hands over head)..... A $100 reward to anyone who finds an AB 460 of this Camnitz for my set

TED Z
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tedzan · #2 02-12-2020, 07:00 PM

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Here are another group of difficult to find AB 460 cards. These are somewhat more available than the tougher cards displayed in Post #920.

Crawford and Manning are mostly found with AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 (no frame) backs. Very seldom are they found with AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 backs.

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LOOKING for one more T206 card to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set (74 subjects)

CAMNITZ (hands over head)..... A $100 reward to anyone who finds an AB 460 of this Camnitz for my set

TED Z
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Ronnie73 · #3 02-13-2020, 03:30 AM

Very nice American Beauty 460 cards everyone!! I have only 10 of them so I can't say they are currently my favorite card back run. Maybe one day when I have 60+ of them, I'll have to revise this.

So currently my favorite run is my complete 28 card Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30 "No Prints". I had a lot of fun with these, especially when I was searching for them before they were even known to others. I was able to break down the Print Group 3 cards into groups and had a checklist before I even found the first one. I just knew with the quantity that were made, there was a chance that some of the cards may have missed their overprint and began searching for them nearly 10 years ago.

I found my first 2 cards in April 2014. Once that happened, I knew my chances of finding more was just a matter of time. In June of 2015, an eBay seller started auctioning off about 10 singles per week. Each week there were a few cards that were part of this 28 card set. The auctions went unnoticed for a few weeks until a Net54 member questioned the auctions. Once that happened, nearly every T206 collector on Net54 was either talking about them, watching them or bidding on them. Luckily there were only a few willing to bid up and pay the high prices. I did have an advantage over others because me and one other buyer were splitting up the bidding on the cards so we were never bidding against each other. I always had first dibs on the cards, so I would bid on the new cards I didn't have. The seconds went to my friend, and any duplicates after that were mine to bid on. This went on over a 10 month period until all were auctioned off. A total of 107 "No Print" cards were auctioned by this one seller. I won 54 of them. Even with half of them in my possession, I only had 27 different cards. I was still missing one. But I still had an advantage. I was the only one that had the checklist, so I knew who to look for. The last card, LaJoie Batting, was found in July 2017. Shortly after that, my friend that was splitting the bids with me, sold his partial set to David Hall and with my permission, shared my checklist of the 28 cards which I started to share after I found the last card I needed.

For this post, I decided to scan my complete set and share it for the first time here. Most of the cards were still in their original holders right before the scanning of them just now. The only cards I would usually share scans of before this, were the Cobb and the LaJoie. Currently, this is the only known complete 28 card (Teds Group B) set, since only one LaJoie has been found so far. The other 27 cards are known to have anywhere between 2 and 8 of the same card. I'm sure at some point, some more will surface and possibly a second set will be assembled.

At some point, I'd like to attempt collecting the 29 card (29/35 Teds Group A) "Sister" set of this. Many know them as the Yellow/Brown Scraps. They are also technically "No Prints" that are also missing the Overprint. There are also the additional 6 "Super Prints" (6/35 Teds Group A) that I like to call Group C, since I had them separate from the others when I made my checklists back in early 2011.

tedzan · #4 02-13-2020, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie73

Very nice American Beauty 460 cards everyone!! I have only 10 of them so I can't say they are currently my favorite card back run. Maybe one day when I have 60+ of them, I'll have to revise this.

So currently my favorite run is my complete 28 card Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30 "No Prints". I had a lot of fun with these, especially when I was searching for them before they were even known to others. I was able to break down the Print Group 3 cards into groups and had a checklist before I even found the first one. I just knew with the quantity that were made, there was a chance that some of the cards may have missed their overprint and began searching for them nearly 10 years ago.

I found my first 2 cards in April 2014. Once that happened, I knew my chances of finding more was just a matter of time. In June of 2015, an eBay seller started auctioning off about 10 singles per week. Each week there were a few cards that were part of this 28 card set. The auctions went unnoticed for a few weeks until a Net54 member questioned the auctions. Once that happened, nearly every T206 collector on Net54 was either talking about them, watching them or bidding on them. Luckily there were only a few willing to bid up and pay the high prices. I did have an advantage over others because me and one other buyer were splitting up the bidding on the cards so we were never bidding against each other. I always had first dibs on the cards, so I would bid on the new cards I didn't have. The seconds went to my friend, and any duplicates after that were mine to bid on. This went on over a 10 month period until all were auctioned off. A total of 107 "No Print" cards were auctioned by this one seller. I won 54 of them. Even with half of them in my possession, I only had 27 different cards. I was still missing one. But I still had an advantage. I was the only one that had the checklist, so I knew who to look for. The last card, LaJoie Batting, was found in July 2017. Shortly after that, my friend that was splitting the bids with me, sold his partial set to David Hall and with my permission, shared my checklist of the 28 cards which I started to share after I found the last card I needed.

For this post, I decided to scan my complete set and share it for the first time here. Most of the cards were still in their original holders right before the scanning of them just now. The only cards I would usually share scans of before this, were the Cobb and the LaJoie. Currently, this is the only known complete 28 card (Teds Group B) set, since only one LaJoie has been found so far. The other 27 cards are known to have anywhere between 2 and 8 of the same card. I'm sure at some point, some more will surface and possibly a second set will be assembled.

At some point, I'd like to attempt collecting the 29 card (29/35 Teds Group A) "Sister" set of this. Many know them as the Yellow/Brown Scraps. They are also technically "No Prints" that are also missing the Overprint. There are also the additional 6 "Super Prints" (6/35 Teds Group A) that I like to call Group C, since I had them separate from the others when I made my checklists back in early 2011.

Hi Ron

A really great story of acquiring these 28 "Not Issued" cards (as I prefer to refer to these 28, and the other 35 cards in the 350/460 Series with SWEET CAP, Factory #30 backs).
Thanks for sharing your story with us, and all these great-looking cards.

And yes, these 28 subjects represent the 350/460 Series component of my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 set.

The other 46 subjects with the AB 460 backs are from the 460-only Series.

I love all this stuff....I find it very interesting how all these factors fit together like a "T206 puzzle".

TED Z
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Rhotchkiss · #5 02-13-2020, 10:02 AM

Right now, I am into Brown Old Mills -- probably the smallest back-sub-set, but likely the most difficult to complete

Ronnie73 · #6 02-13-2020, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Right now, I am into Brown Old Mills -- probably the smallest back-sub-set, but likely the most difficult to complete

Incredible cards Ryan!! I'd say they are one of the most difficult subsets. Especially when unique new discovery cards can show up at any time.

tedzan · #7 02-13-2020, 08:10 PM

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I'm including Gandil here with some of the tougher AB 460 cards, even though he is in the Exclusive 12 group which are more available than all the other 62 subjects
with the AB 460 backs. Gandil has a following with many collectors who collect "Black Sox" players. Therefore, because of this demand, Gandil's cards are quite tough
to find.

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__________________________________________________ ___________________________________
LOOKING for one more T206 card to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set (74 subjects)

CAMNITZ (hands over head)..... A $100 reward to anyone who finds an AB 460 of this Camnitz for my set

TED Z
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Ronnie73 · #8 02-13-2020, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by tedzan

Hi Ron

A really great story of acquiring these 28 "Not Issued" cards (as I prefer to refer to these 28, and the other 35 cards in the 350/460 Series with SWEET CAP, Factory #30 backs).
Thanks for sharing your story with us, and all these great-looking cards.

And yes, these 28 subjects represent the 350/460 Series component of my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 set.

The other 46 subjects with the AB 460 backs are from the 460-only Series.

I love all this stuff....I find it very interesting how all these factors fit together like a "T206 puzzle".

TED Z
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T206's are one of the best puzzles ever invented!! And they have neat baseball players on them.

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