Will this stock market madness affect cards?

carlsonjok · #1 03-28-2020, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Again no solutions, ideas, suggestions, just more bashing, the Dem way...aka the Dumb way.

I didn't even read half of it,

I'm a nobody on this board, and in the hobby. So, if Leon wishes to show me the exit for perpetuating this nonsense, I understand completely.

But, I feel compelled to note that perhaps you should have read his post completely because he did offer a solution. He said "The solution is to follow the advice of the experts and keep things shut down as long as necessary." Maybe you are content to take advice from some rando on a discussion board, but, for myself, I tend to listen to what the virologists and other public health experts say. And I work in oil and gas, which is getting decimated right now and will see an increasing number of companies going bankrupt the longer this goes on.

Dpeck100 · #2 03-28-2020, 03:19 PM

https://www.ebay.com/itm/40215721526...m=402157215266

The bidder with 1 feedback now has 2. Another Jordan just sold for $45,100 and a PSA 9 is at $8,000 with time to go.

In the stock market none of the leading stocks have been immune to the selloff. No asset class for that matter.

This article by Joe Orlando was a good read this morning.

https://www.psacard.com/articles/art...nature-collide

Goudey77 · #3 03-28-2020, 03:37 PM

David, Was it the same bidder who won both Jordan's?
Could it be a troll bidder compromising the auctions?

I noticed something similar in the last month when a bunch of high end Ichiro's RC's were auctioned a single ID ran up all of them. I believe he won several.

Tough to pinpoint which ones are legit.

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Originally Posted by Dpeck100

https://www.ebay.com/itm/40215721526...m=402157215266

The bidder with 1 feedback now has 2. Another Jordan just sold for $45,100 and a PSA 9 is at $8,000 with time to go.

In the stock market none of the leading stocks have been immune to the selloff. No asset class for that matter.

This article by Joe Orlando was a good read this morning.

https://www.psacard.com/articles/art...nature-collide

Dpeck100 · #4 03-28-2020, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Goudey77

David, Was it the same bidder who won both Jordan's?
Could it be a troll bidder compromising the auctions?

I noticed something similar in the last month when a bunch of high end Ichiro's RC's were auctioned a single ID ran up all of them. I believe he won several.

Tough to pinpoint which ones are legit.

https://www.ebay.com/bfl/viewbids/36...p2047675.l2565

The Probstein example was won by feedback rating 421. No bid retractions on that number so that is always encouraging.

In theory the PWCC auction was won by the same person. Clearly it is an account designed to bid on a limited number of cards with bids only on one and all on the same card. PWCC only leaves feedback after you pay so in theory the person won their own card but if so they won at an all time high.

There was a Mantle that they ran that was a zero feedback bidder in the last six months and it earned feedback. I think there is a trend to bid on bigger cards with an account that is not easily identifiable. In wrestling card circles I am very easy to spot so I have to assume it is the same in other genres.

Shoeless Moe · #5 03-28-2020, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by carlsonjok

I'm a nobody on this board, and in the hobby. So, if Leon wishes to show me the exit for perpetuating this nonsense, I understand completely.

But, I feel compelled to note that perhaps you should have read his post completely because he did offer a solution. He said "The solution is to follow the advice of the experts and keep things shut down as long as necessary." Maybe you are content to take advice from some rando on a discussion board, but, for myself, I tend to listen to what the virologists and other public health experts say. And I work in oil and gas, which is getting decimated right now and will see an increasing number of companies going bankrupt the longer this goes on.

Mark - looks like an interesting Site, definitely going to check that out. Thank you for posting it.

Now you, there are no experts on this as this type of situation has never happened before, so who is the expert? Doctors need to stay off TV and stay in the lab and get cracking on a cure. Once they have one come on TV and speak all you want. And wouldn't you have thought the W.H.O. were experts on this? Well they botched the bajesus out of it, so be careful of listening to experts. And the NY Health Dept or whatever they are called botched this in February. This is a situation like none other, apparently, you need a medical expert/economy expert, not sure there is one. A combined team? Maybe. And pretty sure that is what the President has.

And of course doctors/health officials are going to say stay inside til it's gone. Come on out in a year when society is a true disaster. No thanks.

itjclarke · #6 03-28-2020, 03:56 PM

delete

carlsonjok · #7 03-28-2020, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Now you, there are no experts on this as this type of situation has never happened before, so who is the expert?

Wait. There has never been virus pandemics before?

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Doctors need to stay off TV and stay in the lab and get cracking on a cure.

You may be surprised to find that some people can do more than one thing at a time. You may also be shocked to hear that researchers, educators, and policymakers are separate roles that draw on the same knowledge.

Okay, I'm walking away before I reach for my Quotable Asimov.

Added in edit: FWIW, there is unlikely to ever be a cure for Coronavirus. A vaccine, sure. But, not a cure.

itjclarke · #8 03-28-2020, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

And of course doctors/health officials are going to say stay inside til it's gone.

Meanwhile doctors and all in healthcare are going outside. My sister is a vascular surgeon in VA and is about to start a week on in anticipation of a spike in cases there. This is well outside her specialty, but she like countless others in healthcare are going to be putting themselves at risk to do their part. Countless have gotten stick so far, and several have died.

As for others staying inside and vigilant, she gave an example of a surgeon attending a recent medical equipment event. About 25 in attendance. One sales rep tested positive shortly after. The surgeon hadn't gotten near the guy all night, yet he and 23 others later tested positive. The virus is incredibly transmissible.

Forget all that though, as long as you support economy 1 rib at a time and talk a bunch of shit, I'm sure we'll all be fine. Amazing times.

Republicaninmass · #9 03-28-2020, 04:13 PM

NYPL is closed, that stinks

Shoeless Moe · #10 03-28-2020, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by carlsonjok

But, I feel compelled to note that perhaps you should have read his post completely because he did offer a solution. He said "The solution is to follow the advice of the experts and keep things shut down as long as necessary." Maybe you are content to take advice from some rando on a discussion board, but, for myself, I tend to listen to what the virologists and other public health experts say. And I work in oil and gas, which is getting decimated right now and will see an increasing number of companies going bankrupt the longer this goes on.

On January 26, New York City’s health commissioner, Dr. Oxiris Barbot, warned, “It’s inevitable that we will have someone who is positive with coronavirus.” She also said, “We are encouraging New Yorkers to go about their everyday lives and suggest practicing everyday precautions that we do through the flu season.” She added that those “who had recently traveled from Wuhan were not being urged to self-quarantine or avoid large public gatherings.”

Thank goodness NY listened to this expert, right?.......and the Mayor too (yet it's Trumps fault right?):

Jdoggs · #11 03-28-2020, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

On January 26, New York City�s health commissioner, Dr. Oxiris Barbot, warned, �It�s inevitable that we will have someone who is positive with coronavirus.� She also said, �We are encouraging New Yorkers to go about their everyday lives and suggest practicing everyday precautions that we do through the flu season.� She added that those �who had recently traveled from Wuhan were not being urged to self-quarantine or avoid large public gatherings.�

Thank goodness NY listened to this expert, right?.......and the Mayor too (yet it's Trumps fault right?):

I agree with Paul.

gawaintheknight · #12 03-29-2020, 07:09 AM

Yes, there's no way this could have been anticipated, or a plan could have been available for Trump to use.

Oh wait: https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...shelf-n1170276

Ted

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Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

On January 26, New York City�s health commissioner, Dr. Oxiris Barbot, warned, �It�s inevitable that we will have someone who is positive with coronavirus.� She also said, �We are encouraging New Yorkers to go about their everyday lives and suggest practicing everyday precautions that we do through the flu season.� She added that those �who had recently traveled from Wuhan were not being urged to self-quarantine or avoid large public gatherings.�

Thank goodness NY listened to this expert, right?.......and the Mayor too (yet it's Trumps fault right?):

Shoeless Moe · #13 03-29-2020, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by gawaintheknight

Yes, there's no way this could have been anticipated, or a plan could have been available for Trump to use.

Oh wait: https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...shelf-n1170276

Ted

from MSNBC enough said.

.....and I didn't see Congress (like they did for a bunch of pointless waste of time issues) go full steam for this either so blame both sides not 1, or 1 person.

Best you can say here is Obama, Trump, Democrats, Republicans, Activists, you, me, ALL to blame.

And at this point it's time to get past who is to blame. Pointless at this point. All attention and media coverage should be on fixing it and go forward plans.

gawaintheknight · #14 03-29-2020, 06:34 PM

Uh, the fact that you don't like MSNBC doesn't mean they're wrong. You can blame whoever you want, I'm going to blame the guy that is supposed to be in charge but explicitly refused to take responsibility.

Ted

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Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

from MSNBC enough said.

.....and I didn't see Congress (like they did for a bunch of pointless waste of time issues) go full steam for this either so blame both sides not 1, or 1 person.

Best you can say here is Obama, Trump, Democrats, Republicans, Activists, you, me, ALL to blame.

And at this point it's time to get past who is to blame. Pointless at this point. All attention and media coverage should be on fixing it and go forward plans.

carlsonjok · #15 03-29-2020, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

On January 26, New York City�s health commissioner, Dr. Oxiris Barbot, warned, �It�s inevitable that we will have someone who is positive with coronavirus.� She also said, �We are encouraging New Yorkers to go about their everyday lives and suggest practicing everyday precautions that we do through the flu season.� She added that those �who had recently traveled from Wuhan were not being urged to self-quarantine or avoid large public gatherings.�

Thank goodness NY listened to this expert, right?.......and the Mayor too (yet it's Trumps fault right?):

Yes, the pediatrician and the politician were wrong. We can see the result with nearly 50,000 cases and over 650 deaths in the greater NYC area and the apex of the outbreak still a couple weeks ahead. That would seem to lend support to the advice of actual infectious disease experts to take drastic actions to halt the spread of the virus.

So, I guess I am not sure what your point is here other than since someone who should have known better was wrong once, we can now just ignore people with relevant expertise. Seems like a nice little piece of motivated reasoning.

Shoeless Moe · #16 03-29-2020, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by carlsonjok

Yes, the pediatrician and the politician were wrong. We can see the result with nearly 50,000 cases and over 650 deaths in the greater NYC area and the apex of the outbreak still a couple weeks ahead. That would seem to lend support to the advice of actual infectious disease experts to take drastic actions to halt the spread of the virus.

So, I guess I am not sure what your point is here other than since someone who should have known better was wrong once, we can now just ignore people with relevant expertise. Seems like a nice little piece of motivated reasoning.

My point here was the media and others have non-stop pounded Trump on this, when Health Officials and Politicians on both side are equal to blame.

You've got both sides throwing stones when everyone is to blame. Who cares? Fix it. Fix the economy. Now is a time all should be working together, put the stupid politics aside. And I'm not a nurse or a doctor so I can't help on that side, but I am healthy (so I can and I am working) and I can spend money, and believe me I don't have much, but I'll spend what I have on local businesses to help keep them afloat. I'm not gonna hide in my house for 6 months and just hope it all blows over.

jhs5120 · #17 03-29-2020, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

My point here was the media and others have non-stop pounded Trump on this, when Health Officials and Politicians on both side are equal to blame.

The guy at the top takes responsibility. The buck stops here.

Jdoggs · #18 03-29-2020, 10:50 AM

The guy at the top takes some of the responsibility and should not take all of the blame. There are many other people to blame and those other people should be held responsible.
Jason

jhs5120 · #19 03-29-2020, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Jdoggs

The guy at the top takes some of the responsibility and should not take all of the blame. There are many other people to blame and those other people should be held responsible.
Jason

Sure, there may be some people who share portions of the blame, but a leader is held accountable for the people he leads. I know it�s popular to pass blame in today�s culture, but the man at the top always takes responsibility for the mess. That�s what comes with being a leader.

Baseball Fan · #20 03-29-2020, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Jdoggs

The guy at the top takes some of the responsibility and should not take all of the blame. There are many other people to blame and those other people should be held responsible.
Jason

Has the guy at the top taken any responsibility yet? Is that even in his playbook?

AustinMike · #21 03-29-2020, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jdoggs

The guy at the top takes some of the responsibility and should not take all of the blame. There are many other people to blame and those other people should be held responsible.
Jason

"The President--whoever he is--has to decide. He can't pass the buck to anybody. No one else can do the deciding for him. That's his job." From President Truman's farewell address discussing the concept of "the buck stops here."

�I don�t take responsibility at all,� President Trump when if he took responsibility for the testing lag.

I guess some presidents are more presidential than others.

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