Best lefty off all time? My vote is Koufax!

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by cammb

Sorry Ted, but Koufax blows him away. Koufax has more Innings Pitched ERA, Shutouts, Strikeouts. Its not even close. Gomez has two more wins And that's in 4 world series.

Tony

I qualified World Series play regarding Lefty Gomez (6 - 0). Koufax W.S. record is 4 - 3.

With respect to career numbers Gomez has 189 Wins vs Koufax 165 Wins.

I prefaced my story that I was a Koufax fan, since I saw him pitch from 1955 to 1966.
Did you see him pitch in real time ?

Therefore, I'm not sure what you are saying.

And, when you compare numbers between Plank and Koufax, Plank wins the discussion.


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[rats60]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Tony

I qualified World Series play regarding Lefty Gomez (6 - 0). Koufax W.S. record is 4 - 3.

With respect to career numbers Gomez has 189 Wins vs Koufax 165 Wins.

I prefaced my story that I was a Koufax fan, since I saw him pitch from 1955 to 1966.
Did you see him pitch in real time ?

Therefore, I'm not sure what you are saying.

And, when you compare numbers between Plank and Koufax, Plank wins the discussion.


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Gomez has a great WS record because of the run support he received. In the 1936 WS he had a 4.70 ERA but the Yankees scored 18 and 13 runs in his two starts. In his 6 starts, the Yankees scored 54 runs, an average of 9 per game. It is pretty hard to lose when you get that kind of support.

Koufax on the other hand started 7 WS games, the Dodgers scored 17 runs total about two and a half per game. In his 3 losses, the Dodgers were shutout twice and scored one run in the third game. Koufax had a much lower ERA, WHIP, K/9, etc.

Plank was a dead ball era pitcher. It is difficult to compare him to Koufax. Plank was the best lefty of his era and one of the greatest pitchers of all time. Also, he is one of the most underrated players of all time.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by rats60

Plank was a dead ball era pitcher. It is difficult to compare him to Koufax. Plank was the best lefty of his era and one of the greatest pitchers of all time. Also, he is one of the most underrated players of all time.

rats60

Finally, after 300 posts on this thread, someone agrees with me regarding "Lefty" Eddie Plank.

Incidentally, the title of this thread is...."Best lefty of all-time ?"....therefore, era is immaterial.


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[cammb]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Tony

I qualified World Series play regarding Lefty Gomez (6 - 0). Koufax W.S. record is 4 - 3.

With respect to career numbers Gomez has 189 Wins vs Koufax 165 Wins.

I prefaced my story that I was a Koufax fan, since I saw him pitch from 1955 to 1966.
Did you see him pitch in real time ?

Therefore, I'm not sure what you are saying.

And, when you compare numbers between Plank and Koufax, Plank wins the discussion.


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Yes I did see him pitch. I responded to your assertion that because Gomez was 6 -0 in world series play he was the best left hander in that arena. I started following baseball in 1955. Wasn't a dodger or Koufax fan. I was drafted to be a yankee fan because that's what my family rooted for. Believe it or not, I am from NY but a staunch Minnesota Twins fan. Followed the Twins since day1 in 1961. This brings me to the 1965 world series. I will never forget how Koufax dominated them. I am not a huge Koufax fan but I have to give him his due. Never saw a pitcher like him.
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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by cammb

Yes I did see him pitch. I responded to your assertion that because Gomez was 6 -0 in world series play he was the best left hander in that arena. I started following baseball in 1955. Wasn't a dodger or Koufax fan. I was drafted to be a yankee fan because that's what my family rooted for. Believe it or not, I am from NY but a staunch Minnesota Twins fan. Followed the Twins since day1 in 1961. This brings me to the 1965 world series. I will never forget how Koufax dominated them. I am not a huge Koufax fan but I have to give him his due. Never saw a pitcher like him.
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Tony

Great, having seen him pitch, we both appreciate how good he was. Actually, I grew up being an avid Yankees fan because Phil Rizzuto was my neighbor in Hillside, NJ (his house
was 2 blocks away from ours).

Monday nights (when it was an off day for the Yankees), Phil would join us kids at St. Catherine's School and entertain us with all his stories. Also, he would give us tips on how to
play the game.

We both grew up in some great times, Tony.


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[cammb]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Tony

Great, having seen him pitch, we both appreciate how good he was. Actually, I grew up being an avid Yankees fan because Phil Rizzuto was my neighbor in Hillside, NJ (his house
was 2 blocks away from ours).

Monday nights (when it was an off day for the Yankees), Phil would join us kids at St. Catherine's School and entertain us with all his stories. Also, he would give us tips on how to
play the game.

We both grew up in some great times, Tony.


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By the way, Ted is it true that Rizzuto didn't like signing autographs?

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by cammb

By the way, Ted is it true that Rizzuto didn't like signing autographs?

Tony

I could tell you many stories about Phil Rizzuto. He was quite a character in real life. But, he loved talking with you. Every BB card show (since the 1980's which I saw him at,
he drew large crowds and it looked like he was having fun talking with the people while signing his autograph.

Here is a personal story I have to tell you. April 1984, I am at Newark Airport standing in the ticket counter line and who's in front of me, but Phil. I tap him in the shoulder to
say hello. We start talking about our old neighborhood in Hillside. It happens that we both are flying out to O'Hare airport in Chicago. Our flight is delayed, so we spend three
hours talking and sipping coffee at Newark. Finally, we board our plane, Phil is in 1st class and I am sitting in the back of the plane. Phil finds me back there and invites me to
sit with him in 1st class. We spent the next 2 hours "Talkin' Baseball". Actually I was mainly listening since he was doing all the talking. That was one very interesting flight to
Chicago.




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[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I am a die-hard Dodger fan and love the history of the Brooklyn years. The one autograph I will never part with is my Phil Rizzuto. I've told the story on Net54 before, but I was set up as a dealer at a show in the Poconos when I was 14 or 15. Rizzuto was the autograph guest. At the end of his signing time I realized I hadn't gotten anything and I didn't have anything good to get signed. I took a piece of poster board and a sharpie and drew a quick picture of him with the Yankee logo and took it to get signed. He wanted to know who did it and I told him that I did and that the marker was probably still wet. He said "Holy cow, that's terrific" and signed it.

Fast forward MANY years. I am in my 40's and there's a large package under my parent's Christmas tree. I open it and there's Scooter beautifully framed. My parents had moved that piece of poster board from house to house more years than I care to think about and I had forgotten about it entirely.

Still have to hang it in my office, but I will never part with it.

[jgannon]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I am a die-hard Dodger fan and love the history of the Brooklyn years. The one autograph I will never part with is my Phil Rizzuto. I've told the story on Net54 before, but I was set up as a dealer at a show in the Poconos when I was 14 or 15. Rizzuto was the autograph guest. At the end of his signing time I realized I hadn't gotten anything and I didn't have anything good to get signed. I took a piece of poster board and a sharpie and drew a quick picture of him with the Yankee logo and took it to get signed. He wanted to know who did it and I told him that I did and that the marker was probably still wet. He said "Holy cow, that's terrific" and signed it.

Fast forward MANY years. I am in my 40's and there's a large package under my parent's Christmas tree. I open it and there's Scooter beautifully framed. My parents had moved that piece of poster board from house to house more years than I care to think about and I had forgotten about it entirely.

Still have to hang it in my office, but I will never part with it.

Great story...

[jgannon]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Tony

I could tell you many stories about Phil Rizzuto. He was quite a character in real life. But, he loved talking with you. Every BB card show (since the 1980's which I saw him at,
he drew large crowds and it looked like he was having fun talking with the people while signing his autograph.

Here is a personal story I have to tell you. April 1984, I am at Newark Airport standing in the ticket counter line and who's in front of me, but Phil. I tap him in the shoulder to
say hello. We start talking about our old neighborhood in Hillside. It happens that we both are flying out to O'Hare airport in Chicago. Our flight is delayed, so we spend three
hours talking and sipping coffee at Newark. Finally, we board our plane, Phil is in 1st class and I am sitting in the back of the plane. Phil finds me back there and invites me to
sit with him in 1st class. We spent the next 2 hours "Talkin' Baseball". Actually I was mainly listening since he was doing all the talking. That was one very interesting flight to
Chicago.


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Another great story...