Fake 1915 Cracker Jack in PSA holder...wow!

swarmee · #1 10-26-2020, 06:17 PM

Both cards in the image are fake. The top one is the one in the PSA slab...

To add: the texture/cardstock between the two cards is also immediately noticeable if you have them in your hands. It's completely ridiculous that PSA authenticated this reprint from 60 years newer. It would probably fluoresce under a black light because of the whitening in the card as well. Just atrocious!

Fred · #2 10-26-2020, 09:19 PM

Grading is subjective... it looked real to the grader...

That's just unbelievable.

jchcollins · #3 10-26-2020, 10:48 PM

My question is, does PSA now make good on their grading guarantee and buy back that card from him at a genuine PSA 1.5 1915 CJ Connie Mack price?

They sure as hell should have to...

Throttlesteer · #4 10-27-2020, 12:05 AM

On a side note, I'm impressed he sent the card in June and already got it back

wazoo · #5 10-27-2020, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Throttlesteer

On a side note, I'm impressed he sent the card in June and already got it back

Lmfao I was thinking the same thing

swarmee · #6 10-27-2020, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by jchcollins

My question is, does PSA now make good on their grading guarantee and buy back that card from him at a genuine PSA 1.5 1915 CJ Connie Mack price?

They sure as hell should have to...

Nope, the original submitter cannot make a claim on the grade guarantee. Someone would have to buy it and then make a claim.

Rhotchkiss · #7 10-27-2020, 05:05 AM

Dave Smith,

Sincere thanks for coming on here and telling your story - stories/incidents like these, posted on forums like this, help keep collectors’ eyes open and, sometimes, cause change in the hobby.

Ryan

jchcollins · #8 10-27-2020, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by swarmee

Nope, the original submitter cannot make a claim on the grade guarantee. Someone would have to buy it and then make a claim.

Well that sucks.

Exhibitman · #9 10-27-2020, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jchcollins

My question is, does PSA now make good on their grading guarantee and buy back that card from him at a genuine PSA 1.5 1915 CJ Connie Mack price?

They sure as hell should have to...

Well, they did once buy back a fake Babe Ruth RC that they graded. But times have changed and they don't need to care any longer.

perezfan · #10 10-27-2020, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Well, they did once buy back a fake Babe Ruth RC that they graded. But times have changed and they don't need to care any longer.

Very sad but true.... They don't give two shits about the collector. It's only about profits, favoritism and stock price escalation. Truth be damned.

jchcollins · #11 10-27-2020, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by perezfan

Very sad but true.... They don't give two shits about the collector. It's only about profits, favoritism and stock price escalation. Truth be damned.

I can't recall his name, maybe someone here does - but one of the guys on the FB groups is a fairly new VP at PSA/CU. He did post yesterday for the owner of that card to please contact him. I would hope they would make it right, but would agree this day in age - would not be surprised if they don't.

perezfan · #12 10-27-2020, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by jchcollins

I can't recall his name, maybe someone here does - but one of the guys on the FB groups is a fairly new VP at PSA/CU. He did post yesterday for the owner of that card to please contact him. I would hope they would make it right, but would agree this day in age - would not be surprised if they don't.

If PSA recalls the card, it serves to benefit themselves, first and foremost. They are not doing it because it's the right thing for the collector. They are doing it to squelch and hide their ineptitude by getting it off the market.

They are quick to hide and conceal their blunders on obvious fakes, but have no problem whatsoever keeping their more subtle bleached, recolored and trimmed cards in circulation... no matter how conclusive the before/after evidence of tampering and alteration.

DWS44 · #13 10-27-2020, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jchcollins

I can't recall his name, maybe someone here does - but one of the guys on the FB groups is a fairly new VP at PSA/CU. He did post yesterday for the owner of that card to please contact him. I would hope they would make it right, but would agree this day in age - would not be surprised if they don't.

Yes, the person you mention from PSA, or at least sounds like the same person, contacted me yesterday afternoon via ebay after someone tipped them off on FB to the listing. After passing a few brief emails, he is supposed to call me this afternoon to discuss. Not sure what to expect.

Have I mentioned it's been an interesting 24 hours?!?

drcy · #14 10-27-2020, 08:59 PM

The most obvious part is the white on his shirt is so much whiter than the borders. They should be no difference, as, on the original cards, the white is the lack of any ink on the cardstock.

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