"PSA Guarantee" - What would you do?

bnorth · #1 11-05-2020, 06:49 AM

Option C, do nothing. If you collect enough PSA slabs to worry about the registry, you like all the others have altered(possibly fake) cards in your collection. Also no reason not to have it in your registry set for the same reason as above.

I like the idea of grading so novice collectors don't get screwed by fake/altered cards. Unfortunately that is not how it works in the real world. To collect graded cards you have to be more of a expert not to get taken advantage of.

oldeboo · #2 11-05-2020, 07:02 AM

Here's the widely produced reprint. I'm curious to see what the back looks like. Almost seems like they took a reprint, then chopped off where it says reprint, and PSA couldn't detect it. No wonder it got such a high grade!

If you look closely at your PSA 8 the text even matches the reprint. It seems that it is different text than your original ungraded card. As swarmee mentioned, the cropping is off too. Unless there are two variations, it looks almost certainly to be a reprint.

bnorth · #3 11-05-2020, 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldeboo

Here's the widely produced reprint. I'm curious to see what the back looks like. Almost seems like they took a reprint, then chopped off where it says reprint, and PSA couldn't detect it. No wonder it got such a high grade!

If you look closely at your PSA 8 the text even matches the reprint. It seems that it is different text than your original ungraded card. As swarmee mentioned, the cropping is off too. Unless there are two variations, it looks almost certainly to be a reprint.

LOL, at least it was a high tech alteration that got by them this time.

oldeboo · #4 11-05-2020, 07:34 AM

This helps to show it a little more. Matches up with where it would of been cut. Seems plausible at least. Whenever you buy a card in a PSA holder it's highly advisable to check for commonly available reprints.

What does the jury say?

oldeboo · #5 11-05-2020, 08:06 AM

The questionable button and text.

Exhibitman · #6 11-05-2020, 05:00 PM

Never be cheated...

STL1944 · #7 11-05-2020, 06:43 PM

First let me give a shout out thank you to Oldeboo! Fantastic analysis and I think you are spot on! If I ever need a private investigator, I will PM you! Thank you.

I went and measured the card and it measured 5.3cm x 7.5cm. I picked 7-8 other 1947 Tip Tops out of a pile and, sure enough, they all measured 5.7 x 7.6.

I think Oldeboo/Blowout is right on in that this was a reprint that was trimmed to remove the reprint text.

I did some poking around and found out:

1) Turns out I bought the card from... wait for it... wait for it.... PWCC!
2) Interestingly, the only other card that is a PSA 8 is the Yogi Berra rookie card. What are the odds that it did not get the same "hair cut" as well.
3) I did go back and measure all of the PSA 5, 6 & 7's looking for signs of a reprint of trimmed. The good news is that I did not see any that looked strange.

I am going to reach out to PSA and see what they say. I will post updates here.

Exhibitman · #8 11-05-2020, 06:54 PM

Send it back to PWCC--they are doing refunds to avoid jail time, allegedly.

hcv123 · #9 11-05-2020, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STL1944

First let me give a shout out thank you to Oldeboo! Fantastic analysis and I think you are spot on! If I ever need a private investigator, I will PM you! Thank you.

I went and measured the card and it measured 5.3cm x 7.5cm. I picked 7-8 other 1947 Tip Tops out of a pile and, sure enough, they all measured 5.7 x 7.6.

I think Oldeboo/Blowout is right on in that this was a reprint that was trimmed to remove the reprint text.

I did some poking around and found out:

1) Turns out I bought the card from... wait for it... wait for it.... PWCC!
2) Interestingly, the only other card that is a PSA 8 is the Yogi Berra rookie card. What are the odds that it did not get the same "hair cut" as well.
3) I did go back and measure all of the PSA 5, 6 & 7's looking for signs of a reprint of trimmed. The good news is that I did not see any that looked strange.

I am going to reach out to PSA and see what they say. I will post updates here.

It was bad enough that we have to double check graded cards for alterations - now we have to double-check them to make sure they are real!!

My decision not to do business with PWCC is reinforced!

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