"PSA Guarantee" - What would you do?

steve B · #1 11-06-2020, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by scooter729

As much as they might be guilty of other things, I don't think we should be blaming PWCC for selling this card. If someone consigned this to them or any other auction house, I wouldn't necessarily expect the auction house to do an additional thorough investigation of its own if it's already in a PSA holder. (Of course, I would expect an auction house to catch the '14 CJ reprint, but that's a whole other story....)

Should PWCC give a refund on this, once presented with the evidence? Maybe - hard to say. But I can't blame them for selling this one in the first place....

Scott S@r!@n

Auction houses, like TPG hold themselves out as being "experts"
A cursory measurement of a card that looks narrow right off, should be enough to make anyone take a longer look.

If a card is in a box of hundreds or more, ok, a fake or altered card sliding through is acceptable. If it's a single graded card that's supposedly one of the two best known, that alone should prompt closer examination.

But then, PWCC routinely works with people who alter cards, so not looking at all closely is just business as usual.

swarmee · #2 11-06-2020, 03:11 PM

PSA is slow to knock this out of their cert system.
https://www.psacard.com/cert/07082357

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PSA Certification #07082357
According to the PSA database, the requested certification number is defined as the following:

ITEM INFORMATION
Certification Number 07082357
Reverse Cert Number/Barcode No
Year 1947
Brand TIP-TOP BREAD
Sport BASEBALL CARDS
Card Number
Player HUGH CASEY
Variety/Pedigree
Grade NM-MT 8
SMR Price Guide Value $135
PSA Auction Prices Realized:
Date Price Auction House Lot Number
5/8/2019 $55.00 eBay (pwcc_auctions) 352651764398
Current PSA Registry Sets:
This cert is currently in Set Registry inventory and is featured in one or more sets, including Top Top Set

STL1944 · #3 11-06-2020, 07:03 PM

I emailed PSA about the issue and am waiting to hear back. I will post updates here.

Thanks all!

HRBAKER · #4 11-06-2020, 07:35 PM

SMH

Hope this works out for you.

STL1944 · #5 11-21-2020, 09:21 PM

Based on this thread, I went back and looked through my other 1947 Tip Top graded cards... sure enough, I found another card which I believe is a reprint and trimmed. Same situation, the reprint was trimmed to remove the "reprint" label on the back of the card, was submitted and graded.

I will be moving this one out of my registry as well. I have finally figured out how to submit this issue to PSA. We shall see what they say.

Thank you all for all of the help in figuring this out.

oldeboo · #6 11-21-2020, 09:25 PM

Crazy! Glad you caught these and hope you get a suitable resolution.

Aquarian Sports Cards · #7 11-22-2020, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve B

Auction houses, like TPG hold themselves out as being "experts"
A cursory measurement of a card that looks narrow right off, should be enough to make anyone take a longer look.

If a card is in a box of hundreds or more, ok, a fake or altered card sliding through is acceptable. If it's a single graded card that's supposedly one of the two best known, that alone should prompt closer examination.

But then, PWCC routinely works with people who alter cards, so not looking at all closely is just business as usual.

I'll say that there's a better than even chance I would've missed that unless I had other cards from the set in hand at the same time. Of course I would own the mistake and take care of the buyer. But though I know a lot about cards there's no way to catch everything.

steve B · #8 11-22-2020, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I'll say that there's a better than even chance I would've missed that unless I had other cards from the set in hand at the same time. Of course I would own the mistake and take card of the buyer. But though I know a lot about cards there's no way to catch everything.

To me it's less that the occasional thing slides through, which will happen, but what happens when it does.

The stamp guy I go to... hopefully still present tense, I'm not sure if he or his business has survived.. I saw him take back a coin he'd sold years before. At least 10 years, probably longer. The only question was what the buyer had paid and if they both remembered it the same. They did, check written, coin handed to the kid at the counter to see if he could spot the alteration. (I did, but knowing it was there helped a lot. Generally the are around the mintmark looked "wrong" )

PSA just don't seem to be able to get it done.
With that track record I just don't trust them.

I'd imagine a high grade unfamiliar card, or for that matter any expensive card would be a tough call in some ways. How much to trust the TPG, and how much time to spend checking up on them.

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