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[paul]

Originally Posted by BillyCox3

I'm sure that most members of the indigenous community would not object if properly aware of/informed of the meaning behind the team name, and they should definitely have the final say in the matter. Was it not originally meant in the club's spirit of solidarity behind their Native teammate? Who is raising the bigger stink--I'm thinking it's more the PC crowd than anything else.

I totally understand abolishing "Redskins". That is offensive. While the term "Indians" is assuredly outdated, it's not the end of the world. First Nations people still use the term to refer to themselves. It's an incorrect term (we all know how it came to be), but it was never applied with racist intent from the inception of its use.

The Cleveland Sockalexii just doesn't have the same ring to it...

The last I heard, something like 90% of Native Americans were not offended by the names of the Indians, Braves, etc., even without necessarily knowing about Sockalexis. Who exactly are the owners of the Indians appeasing? I think it's more virtue signaling.

[hammertime]

Originally Posted by paul

The last I heard, something like 90% of Native Americans were not offended by the names of the Indians, Braves, etc., even without necessarily knowing about Sockalexis. Who exactly are the owners of the Indians appeasing? I think it's more virtue signaling.

Beat me to it. Several years ago the Washington Post pushed hard to get the Redskins to change their name, but they finally gave up after a poll found very few Natives were offended by the term. Of course flash forward to last year and they started up again, and were successful this time.

Personally I don't care strongly one way or another, names change over time. But we should at least be honest about who we're really appeasing...it's largely white progressives.

[campyfan39]

Perfect summation. This is also the group that is never satisfied and only get more emboldened by these concessions.

Originally Posted by hammertime

Beat me to it. Several years ago the Washington Post pushed hard to get the Redskins to change their name, but they finally gave up after a poll found very few Natives were offended by the term. Of course flash forward to last year and they started up again, and were successful this time.

Personally I don't care strongly one way or another, names change over time. But we should at least be honest about who we're really appeasing...it's largely white progressives.

[The-Cardfather]

The Cleveland Grovers.

[drcy]

Originally Posted by campyfan39

Perfect summation. This is also the group that is never satisfied and only get more emboldened by these concessions.

This is true. You want to go by what the demographic (Indians, Black, other) wants, but vocal activists often don't represent the views of the demographic. In fact, I'd wager that they rarely do. And one must not assume what they want, or do "what's good for them irrelevant to what they want," as activists often do.

A prime example is the activists in Minneapolis wanted to "defund the police," and the city council and Mayor went along with that. However, when they polled Blacks in Minneapolis, the majority didn't support that. The city council and Mayor made the common mistake of thinking the vocal activists were a proxy of Blacks in general. Nationally, polling has shown that the majority of Blacks in the United States don't support defund the police, and want more the same or more police in their neighborhoods. The majority want better (reform) policing where they live not less.

[Bobbycee]

Originally Posted by hammertime

Beat me to it. Several years ago the Washington Post pushed hard to get the Redskins to change their name, but they finally gave up after a poll found very few Natives were offended by the term. Of course flash forward to last year and they started up again, and were successful this time.

Personally I don't care strongly one way or another, names change over time. But we should at least be honest about who we're really appeasing...it's largely white progressives.

Nailed it!

[packs]

It would be pretty cool if they were the Naps again. Drum up some interest in old time pre-war baseball.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by hammertime

Personally I don't care strongly one way or another, names change over time. But we should at least be honest about who we're really appeasing...it's largely white progressives.

Post of the year.

[baseball tourist]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Post of the year.

Incorrect. If you read the team’s release, this is being done to appease several indigenous stakeholder communities.