Hey, pennant guys

[bocca001]

Really nice pennant, Bob. Looks great!

[bocca001]

Not a pennant, but saw this Raiders item and made me think of Greg's AFL Raiders pennant. I recall some discussion about what was depicted in the graphic. This stuff is dated to 1964.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Not a pennant, but saw this Raiders item and made me think of Greg's AFL Raiders pennant. I recall some discussion about what was depicted in the graphic. This stuff is dated to 1964.

This is cool. Is it on Ebay now? I don't think we ever confirmed what that graphic depicts. I can't find a picture of that pennant with a clear enough shot of the graphic. Looks like a QB about to get hit, but I don't see a football in the raised arm.

Greg...Inquiring minds want to know.

[bobw]

Looks like the hand is holding the logo?

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by bobw

Looks like the hand is holding the logo?

Yeah...Maybe reaching for a sword to defend himself? But grabbing the sharp end? That doesn't make sense. Curious design. You'd think they could've come up with a better rendering of that.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Yeah...Maybe reaching for a sword to defend himself? But grabbing the sharp end? That doesn't make sense. Curious design. You'd think they could've come up with a better rendering of that.

Wow cool finding. So they actually used it as a team specific logo. I thought it might have been more akin to the sliding runner baseball pennants where the pennant maker just slapped on a generic graphic. Makes sense if it is mid 60s, probably came after the pennant with the gold printing. I noticed that the Chiefs AFL has two versions, one has a touch of white in the dancing Indian and the other is all red. My guess is that the single-color AFLs came later but Football Rob would have a better idea.

[thetahat]

Sportslogos.net dates this as 1963, at least the shield part of the logo.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

I noticed that the Chiefs AFL has two versions, one has a touch of white in the dancing Indian and the other is all red. My guess is that the single-color AFLs came later but Football Rob would have a better idea.

It's hard to say with the AFLs. There are plenty of examples of single color pennants that can easily be attributed to the earliest days of the AFL. The Los Angeles Chargers have several and only existed for 1960. The Dallas Texans do as well (as you well know given recent events ). Also, the New York Titans.

And the AFL logo is not really a good indicator of age either, as it appears to have been used so intermittently. There are early examples of Texans and Titans with it, so we know it began somewhere between 1960-62, but then many other examples from later in the decade that do not have it.

[RaiderPennantGuy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Wow cool finding. So they actually used it as a team specific logo. I thought it might have been more akin to the sliding runner baseball pennants where the pennant maker just slapped on a generic graphic. Makes sense if it is mid 60s, probably came after the pennant with the gold printing. I noticed that the Chiefs AFL has two versions, one has a touch of white in the dancing Indian and the other is all red. My guess is that the single-color AFLs came later but Football Rob would have a better idea.

There's a white version of that Raider pennant. I have only seen one but I haven't been collecting that long


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