Hey, pennant guys

[thetahat]

Holy s*** this guy is completely unhinged! LOL

I’ll just point out the one gigantic lie above, namely that he didn’t know my eBay ID, as I bought this from him on eBay shortly *after* he sold me the pennant repaired with super glue. (It was last September.) I won’t waste my time boring you with the other stuff, except to say it’s basically a big pile of crazy, if it isn’t already obvious.

But let’s remember how we got here ... he expected me to shrug off an alteration that he didn’t disclose. I simply requested a refund, he agreed to give one to me but not without insulting me in the process. This wasn’t some old lady who skims flea markets and has no experience with this stuff, but a collector who should and does know better. Clearly he was hoping to pass it off to someone who wouldn’t care or know to look for it. I unfortunately spoiled his plans to pull a fast one. Temporarily, I’m sure.

[thetahat]

And since this liar can’t even quote me accurately, I’ll post my complete email reply to him that discusses the purple thread.

Big difference between saying “Trench never used that color thread” and “... purple thread which I can’t recall ever being used ...” .... and for that matter, only mentioned as what tipped me off that something wasn’t right.

While we’re talking about other red flags, and since this surely isn’t the first or last of your altered-to-flip pennant creations, please also be aware that Trench didn’t knot the ends of each stitch as on this pennant ... this, of course, is why their original tassels often fell out. Something for the rest of you to look for if you’ve purchased from him.

Lastly, as for him sorting through my old posts to try to claim I am self serving ... I have no issue with someone cleaning and even repairing pennants for personal display. I’ve done it. I’ll probably do it again. But I am pretty much exclusively a buyer/collector. The line is drawn when it comes to *selling* them, and simply having the integrity to disclose what you have done. And actually if I ever do sell the few I have fixed up, I’ll do exactly that, even though you’d like to pretend otherwise to convince yourself that you’re actually not morally wrong here.

If it’s no big deal, why not just disclose what you did? Because the answer is obvious.

That’s all I have to say about this, unless it is to disprove more lies.

[Fballguy]

This guy thinks I have his eBay ID committed to memory because of one sale 7 months ago? I didn’t even know who “Greg Manco” was until Marc B mentioned the name. I asked who that was and he connected the dots to Net54 for me. That was within the past year. I didn’t even realize it was you this time until I printed the shipping label. Get over yourself. You’re not that important Greg.

And I’d love to hear the “super glue” story. This is news to me. Please share the details. I don’t know what’s weirder. That you didn’t mention it at the time (extremely unbelievable) or that you kept hounding me for more pennants right up until just last week.

[Fballguy]

And if anyone here isn’t happy with a pennant I sold them, by all means let me know. I’d especially like to get my Niners pennants back from Marc B.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

This guy thinks I have his eBay ID committed to memory because of one sale 7 months ago? I didn’t even know who “Greg Manco” was until Marc B mentioned the name. I asked who that was and he connected the dots to Net54 for me. That was within the past year. I didn’t even realize it was you this time until I printed the shipping label. Get over yourself. You’re not that important Greg.

And I’d love to hear the “super glue” story. This is news to me. Please share the details. I don’t know what’s weirder. That you didn’t mention it at the time (extremely unbelievable) or that you kept hounding me for more pennants right up until just last week.

Well I said I was done with this unless I had to disprove more lies from this guy, and here I am back again so you know what that means. He claims I never mentioned the glue on the ASG pennant “at the time”. Here’s my email to him upon receiving the ASG pennant, back in September.

Can you please do me a favor and stop lying now?

The one thing I’d fix in that email is my giving him the benefit of the doubt that he acquired it this way. I still have no proof otherwise, except that now I wouldn’t trust him for an accurate weather report if we were both standing outside.

[thetahat]

Seriously Rob, just stop lying. I could ask you to produce evidence of me throwing a “hissy fit” when you didn’t accept my offers, but of course you can’t, because I didn’t. Just please ... tell ... the ... truth. You’ll find that life is easier that way. I can start forgetting about your very existence and you can resume pushing fugazi Frankenpennants on unknowing eBayers.

[Fballguy]

You truly are a lunatic. I referenced the defect in the graphic in my earlier response. Can you please go back and circle where you mentioned "Super Glue". Oh what's that? You meant "glue" not "Super Glue"? Are you lying or did you misremember what you had actually said in the email? In Manco Land is only Greg allowed to misremember? All I remembered was that you complained about something that was visible in the picture.

And here's the fun part. I paid $280 for that pennant. I wouldn't have paid $280 if the paint was hanging off as you theorize it must have been. Then I let you have it for $230 and on top of that I refunded another $50! So by all means, if you want to sell me that beautiful pennant for $180, I'll take it. Where do I send the money?

$180 for a 1960 All Star Game pennant that is in otherwise mint condition and you think I'm ripping you off? Prove it by selling it back to me.

And since we're sharing emails, here's my initial reply in which I so egregiously insulted him...though it's odd he'd be offended by being told he's no longer welcome to buy pennants from someone he considers dishonest. Then again, he continued to buy and/or try to buy my pennants long after the 1960 AS Game sale so who knows how this guy thinks.

By all means send it back. As an FYI...I took the spine and tassels off to soak them in Oxy Clean foam. They were pretty dirty but not damaged so I figured they'd clean up nicely which they did. I thought the spine was reattached pretty cleanly but if you're not satisfied, no worries.

It will probably be easier for both of us if you just don't buy anything from me. Seems you have quite a few issues with me (and others). No offense intended. Hope you understand.

PS...I highly recommend Oxi Clean Foam for cleaning tassels and spines. Works fast and doesn't damage the material at all.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

You truly are a lunatic. I referenced the defect in the graphic in my earlier response. Can you please go back and circle where you mentioned "Super Glue". Oh what's that? You meant "glue" not "Super Glue"? Are you lying or did you misremember what you had actually said in the email? In Manco Land is only Greg allowed to misremember? All I remembered was that you complained about something that was visible in the picture.

And here's the fun part. I paid $280 for that pennant. I wouldn't have paid $280 if the paint was hanging off as you theorize it must have been. Then I let you have it for $230 and on top of that I refunded another $50! So by all means, if you want to sell me that beautiful pennant for $180, I'll take it. Where do I send the money?

$180 for a 1960 All Star Game pennant that is in otherwise mint condition and you think I'm ripping you off? Prove it by selling it back to me.

And since we're sharing emails, here's my initial reply in which I so egregiously insulted him...though it's odd he'd be offended by being told he's no longer welcome to buy pennants from someone he considers dishonest. Then again, he continued to buy and/or try to buy my pennants long after the 1960 AS Game sale so who knows how this guy thinks.

By all means send it back. As an FYI...I took the spine and tassels off to soak them in Oxy Clean foam. They were pretty dirty but not damaged so I figured they'd clean up nicely which they did. I thought the spine was reattached pretty cleanly but if you're not satisfied, no worries.

It will probably be easier for both of us if you just don't buy anything from me. Seems you have quite a few issues with me (and others). No offense intended. Hope you understand.

PS...I highly recommend Oxi Clean Foam for cleaning tassels and spines. Works fast and doesn't damage the material at all.

Deal. I’ll ABSOLUTELY sell you back the ASG pennant for $180, please add $5 towards shipping, I’ll pay the rest and mail flat. I have it stored in a tub. I was going to sell it soon, but since I actually have integrity, I was going to have to disclose the repair/alteration, thus I was not confident that I would get a good return as a result. So you fixed that for me, thank you. You will surely do much better with it, maybe even get $300-400 or more, since you have clearly demonstrated to be without a conscience and will likely not disclose the issue to potential buyers. And if the buyer actually does bring it to your attention, you can once again pretend not to know about it.

You have my email address, you can send it via PayPal, wait until Monday if you want, I’ll mail on Monday and post the receipt.

Oh and I apologize for not referring to the *type* of glue in my initial email, as if that is relevant, of course I figured you’d do anything but own up to your dishonesty.

Thanks for the purchase,

Greg

P.S. ... If you were so certain upon me buying that altered pennant that I would have an issue with it ... you wrote something about “getting popcorn ready” ... why didn’t you just reach out to me immediately to inform me of what you did to it, let me decide, I would have let you cancel and you could have reposted. You knew full well the shadiness of your own actions, you just hoped someone who didn’t know any better would buy it. Again: we are here right now because you didn’t have the decency to disclose an alteration in a sale. Again: it’s much easier to not be a lowlife.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Deal. I’ll ABSOLUTELY sell you back the ASG pennant for $180, please add $5 towards shipping, I’ll pay the rest and mail flat. I have it stored in a tub. I was going to sell it soon, but since I actually have integrity, I was going to have to disclose the repair/alteration, thus I was not confident that I would get a good return as a result. So you fixed that for me, thank you. You will surely do much better with it, maybe even get $300-400 or more, since you have clearly demonstrated to be without a conscience and will likely not disclose the issue to potential buyers. And if the buyer actually does bring it to your attention, you can once again pretend not to know about it.

You have my email address, you can send it via PayPal, wait until Monday if you want, I’ll mail on Monday and post the receipt.

Oh and I apologize for not referring to the *type* of glue in my initial email, as if that is relevant, of course I figured you’d do anything but own up to your dishonesty.

Thanks for the purchase,

Greg

P.S. ... If you were so certain upon me buying that altered pennant that I would have an issue with it ... you wrote something about “getting popcorn ready” ... why didn’t you just reach out to me immediately to inform me of what you did to it, let me decide, I would have let you cancel and you could have reposted. You knew full well the shadiness of your own actions, you just hoped someone who didn’t know any better would buy it. Again: we are here right now because you didn’t have the decency to disclose an alteration in a sale. Again: it’s much easier to not be a lowlife.

My reply to this is going to be so good...but now dinner is ready. Stay tuned.

Greg...You might want to get your popcorn ready.

[ooo-ribay]

c’mon guys....take a deep breath....life’s too short.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Deal. I’ll ABSOLUTELY sell you back the ASG pennant for $180, please add $5 towards shipping, I’ll pay the rest and mail flat. I have it stored in a tub. I was going to sell it soon, but since I actually have integrity, I was going to have to disclose the repair/alteration, thus I was not confident that I would get a good return as a result. So you fixed that for me, thank you. You will surely do much better with it, maybe even get $300-400 or more, since you have clearly demonstrated to be without a conscience and will likely not disclose the issue to potential buyers. And if the buyer actually does bring it to your attention, you can once again pretend not to know about it.

You have my email address, you can send it via PayPal, wait until Monday if you want, I’ll mail on Monday and post the receipt.

Oh and I apologize for not referring to the *type* of glue in my initial email, as if that is relevant, of course I figured you’d do anything but own up to your dishonesty.

Thanks for the purchase,

Greg

P.S. ... If you were so certain upon me buying that altered pennant that I would have an issue with it ... you wrote something about “getting popcorn ready” ... why didn’t you just reach out to me immediately to inform me of what you did to it, let me decide, I would have let you cancel and you could have reposted. You knew full well the shadiness of your own actions, you just hoped someone who didn’t know any better would buy it. Again: we are here right now because you didn’t have the decency to disclose an alteration in a sale. Again: it’s much easier to not be a lowlife.

Greg...I seriously contemplated cancelling the transaction but as I said I didn't realize it was you until I created the shipping label and I didn't feel like throwing the $10 postage away....or waiting 2 months for the USPS to hopefully refund it. And I knew it would be a problem because you've been a pain in the a$$ in every way possible since we started corresponding, less than a year ago.

"Do the tassels wiggle?"

"I see a loose string, so I'll offer $50 less than the $125 you're asking"

"This defect was in the picture but I'm going buy it anyway, then return it"

"I'm interested in your beautiful 1940 Tigers pennant but it has to be at my price...oh and (this is good) you have to throw in another pennant"

"Hey can you put me in touch with your contact in XXXXXX?"

"Hey did you give your contact my info yet?"

"Hey the pennants arrived but i'm going to have to return them". (Tell us Greg...Am I the only person you contacted about returning pennants this year? Popcorn munch popcorn munch popcorn munch...)

Bottom line...I knew what was coming because you're predictable and I've heard similar stories from others.

I haven't even gotten to the good part yet...And what follows isn't it either.

Who's the liar Greg? You expect anyone here to believe that you're worried about losing money at $180? If that's the case, why would you accept the $50 refund? That doesn't make sense at all. Come on man. And you were "just about to sell it"? LOL. But you held on to it for 7 months because....

Surely this wasn't your best effort was it? And for everyone's benefit, I've attached a picture of the $180 pennant Greg's "worried about taking a loss on". BTW...My $180 sell price INCLUDED SHIPPING. But, hey...You're cheap. I'll throw in an extra $5. No problem.

It's about to get good. If you have to pee, I suggest you go now.

You're either a bad liar or a great mis-rememberer. Here's our correspondence from September regarding the 1960 All Star Pennant (if anyone would like me to forward the email, just reach out).

Sept 18, 2020...From Greg:

Hey Rob how are you? Just wanted to say I got the pennants, thank you. One thing about the All-Star game pennant I wanted to bring to your attention. Let me say in advance I’m sure that this was something that existed when you got it, and were unaware. It looks like at the bottom of the scroll where the managers name is listed, Walter Alston, that the O in his name looks repaired, as if the white inside was glued back in place. Close up it looks like there was glue and some discoloring. When you pinch it, it is thicker, too. I didn’t notice this in your pics on eBay or net54. (Attaches are closeups, coordinate it with your existing pics, you can see it looks a bit unusual.) You’re a pennant guy so I’m sure you understand, are you willing to accept a return? I do like the other Athletics pennant ... what if anything do you suggest?

Sept 18, 2020...From Me:

Hey Greg...No worries. I never even noticed that. It looked like a very clean pennant to me. I guess I'm more focused own the spine/tassels and tip. Can you tell what was actually repaired? Seems odd unless there's a hole or something. Of course, you can return the All Star and I'll refund the $230 or both for the full $350. Whatever you prefer. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Sept 19, 2020...From Greg:

Rob thanks for understanding. It’s not a hole that goes all the way through but like someone replaced or fixed the paint inside the ‘O’ which as a result is larger than the other letters. You’ll see what I mean when you get it. I’ll return both if you don’t mind. Will pack and resend as they came, my earliest opportunity to go to the post office will be Tuesday though, if that’s okay. Thanks again.

Sept 19, 2020...From Me:

Weird. I just compared it to others on Worthpoint. There are only 3 NL versions (all different colors) and the only black one had the same "O" like that but it could be the same exact pennant. If so, the O was like that in 2014 too. Don't understand the point of making a repair to something so small unless there was a hole . I'll check it out when you send back.

Sept 19, 2020...From Greg:

Hey Rob ... I was packing these up to return and decided (if okay) to hang onto the other A’s pennant. Was a little steep on its own but it’s nice, it replaces one that I have in lesser condition. Thank you for the option, I appreciate it. Regards

Sept 19, 2020...From Me:

Sure Greg. Your call. I'm ok either way. If you want to keep the All Star, I'd refund $50 if that does anything for you.

Sept 19, 2020...From Greg:

Oops emailed crossed... I wonder if it is same pennant, there are other features that would identify it ... do you have a pic?

Sept 19, 2020...From Me:

I've attached. The resolution isn't the best on them but there are four. I compared to mine and it's hard to say. Don't see much to differentiate, though the colors are more vibrant on mine. Might just be the lighting in the other pictures washing them out.

Sept 19, 2020...From Greg:

Ok I will check when I get home, at baseball practice now. I do see a little dot above the L in Musial that shows up in your pic and in Worthpoint so am inclined to think same pennant ... unless of course that too is a shared imperfection? Not sure ..

You'll note quite a different tone in the discussion back then. You'll also note, whatever was done to that pennant...if anything... was done in 2014 at the latest. I bought this pennant in 2019. I didn't even buy my first baseball pennant until I moved to Texas in 2016. I don't think I even joined Net54 until 2015 (don't quote me on that Greg lest you think I'm lying...I'll have to check the date).

Here's the verbiage from that 2014 listing:

NEAR MINT VINTAGE VERY RARE PENNANT FROM THE 1960 ALL STAR GAME IN KANSAS CITY MISSOURI. ADD $8.00 SHIPPING

Compare that verbiage to what I use in my ebay listings. Not even close. I don't use all caps. I always offer free shipping. So I didn't own this pennant in 2014 when it clearly already had the imperfection.

What we have here is pretty clear. Greg falsely accusing me publicly of altering a pennant when he knew I didn't do it. People get sued over things like that Greg, so I just have to ask...Are you still on record accusing me of altering the 1960 All Star Game pennant?

[thetahat]

Actually, you doesn’t understand defamation law, along with most elements of common decency, and the fact that I simply don’t trust you, nor should anyone actually. I’ll expect your payment Monday.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

This guy thinks I have his eBay ID committed to memory because of one sale 7 months ago? I didn’t even know who “Greg Manco” was until Marc B mentioned the name. I asked who that was and he connected the dots to Net54 for me. That was within the past year. I didn’t even realize it was you this time until I printed the shipping label. Get over yourself. You’re not that important Greg.

And I’d love to hear the “super glue” story. This is news to me. Please share the details. I don’t know what’s weirder. That you didn’t mention it at the time (extremely unbelievable) or that you kept hounding me for more pennants right up until just last week.

And one more note on this...There are numerous people on this forum who can corroborate that the Pennant Almighty has been on my "do not sell" list for months. I'm fine with any of you, if you are so inclined, verifying that. I'd hate for Greg to go on thinking that I lied about not knowing his ebay user ID.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

And one more note on this...There are numerous people on this forum who can corroborate that the Pennant Almighty has been on my "do not sell" list for months. I'm fine with any of you, if you are so inclined, verifying that. I'd hate for Greg to go on thinking that I lied about not knowing his ebay user ID.

I could give a s*** if I was on your “do not sell” list. I’m obviously on that list because you can’t sell me altered pennants without me calling you out on it. I take this as a badge of honor. And of course you could have fixed that by just getting in touch with me right after the sale and, you know, actually being upfront and honest about what you did.

Again, we have a deal on that ASG pennant.

Greg