Will you get vaccinated against COVID once it's available?

vintagetoppsguy · #1 05-16-2021, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

How many years of actual clinical post-marketing experience do you insist on before you'll take an FDA approved drug, David? Because guess what? Drugs can be approved on the basis of a single phase III trial, not years of actual experience. The amount of experience we already have, with hundreds of millions of doses administered, probably dwarfs what we know about most drugs.

Now you're just wanting to argue. A quick Google search shows, "In the United States, it takes an average of 12 years for an experimental drug to travel from the laboratory to your medicine cabinet."

12 years, Peter. 12 years.

Peter_Spaeth · #2 05-16-2021, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Now you're just wanting to argue. A quick Google search shows, "In the United States, it takes an average of 12 years for an experimental drug to travel from the laboratory to your medicine cabinet."

12 years, Peter. 12 years.

Yes but most of that time is not the placebo-controlled phase III trial, it's research and development and feasibility studies and animal studies and so forth, none of which gather the data you crave.

Go tell me how much safety data there was on fen-phen when they approved it. Only to find out it killed people.

vintagetoppsguy · #3 05-16-2021, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Go tell me how much safety data there was on fen-phen when they approved it. Only to find out it killed people.

Thank you for helping me prove my point. A lot of the side effects of drugs aren't discovered until years later. Now do you see my desire to wait on the vaccine?

Peter_Spaeth · #4 05-16-2021, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Thank you for helping me prove my point. A lot of the side effects of drugs aren't discovered until years later. Now do you see my desire to wait on the vaccine?

You're all over the map. You've said you want to wait for FDA approval. My point is that FDA approval doesn't guarantee anything or mean that much. So now how long do you want to wait?

vintagetoppsguy · #5 05-16-2021, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You're all over the map. You've said you want to wait for FDA approval. My point is that FDA approval doesn't guarantee anything or mean that much. So now how long do you want to wait?

I'm not all over the place. My position hasn't changed. And to answer your question, please refer to posts 190, 229 and 269. Keep up, Peter. Keep up.

irv · #6 05-16-2021, 07:52 PM

And again, where is all the concrete proof these vaccines are actually doing anything in protecting anyone from contracting covid?

I know one thing for certain, they have caused blood clots, balls palsy, anaphylaxis, thrombosis, severe respiratory problems, severe aches and pains, hospitalization and of course numerous deaths.

Why is it still being administered and not removed/banned?

Look at the other drugs that have been taken off the market for far less worse issues???

Also, if anyone was wondering, only about 50% of the employees at the CDC and the NIH have taken a covid vaccine.
Why is that, and why are all those other front line doctor's and nurses who also refuse to take it never talked about?
https://www.tiktok.com/@backwoodsgir...urce=copy&_r=1

Peter_Spaeth · #7 05-16-2021, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by irv

And again, where is all the concrete proof these vaccines are actually doing anything in protecting anyone from contracting covid?

I know one thing for certain, they have caused blood clots, balls palsy, anaphylaxis, thrombosis, severe respiratory problems, severe aches and pains, hospitalization and of course numerous deaths.

Why is it still being administered and not removed/banned?

Look at the other drugs that have been taken off the market for far less worse issues???

Also, if anyone was wondering, only about 50% of the employees at the CDC and the NIH have taken a covid vaccine.
Why is that, and why are all those other front line doctor's and nurses who also refuse to take it never talked about?
https://www.tiktok.com/@backwoodsgir...urce=copy&_r=1

I don't know what you watch in Canada, but here in the US the vaccines have been so effective that the CDC just dramatically lifted many restrictions. But maybe all the sources reporting that, and the CDC itself, and the studies (including a study of healthcare workers that was a key part of the CDC's decision) all are biased or something.

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/scie...ndates-rcna932

Or maybe you just see what you want to see.

Peter_Spaeth · #8 05-16-2021, 08:33 PM

In one of the studies cited by the CDC, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was shown to be 97 percent effective at protecting against symptomatic infection and 86 percent effective at protecting against asymptomatic infection. Those results, published May 6 in the Journal of the American Medical Association, were based on a study of more than 6,700 vaccinated health care workers in Israel.

Walensky also referenced two recent U.S.-based studies that were published in the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. One study demonstrated that Covid-19 vaccines were 90 percent effective at preventing both symptomatic and asymptomatic infection among nearly 4,000 health care workers and front-line workers. A second study found the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were 94 percent effective at preventing Covid-19-related-hospitalizations among adults 65 and older who have been fully vaccinated.

vintagetoppsguy · #9 05-16-2021, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't know what you watch in Canada, but here in the US we have a 28 Trillion dollar debt, gas shortages and long lines, growing inflation, a border crisis, rising taxes, riots in the streets and much, much more. So, to divert the attention from all that, the government lifted many restrictions.

Since Peter is blinded to what's happening in the US, I corrected part of his statement for him.

earlywynnfan · #10 05-16-2021, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Now you're just wanting to argue. A quick Google search shows, "In the United States, it takes an average of 12 years for an experimental drug to travel from the laboratory to your medicine cabinet."

12 years, Peter. 12 years.

I understand your point here, but I think that number is misleading a bit. Everything I've read has said that the vaccine's basic formula isn't new, it was able to be modified to fit the cause. Kind of like putting a dune buggy body on a VW, much quicker than building a car from scratch.

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