Will you get vaccinated against COVID once it's available?

irv · #1 05-16-2021, 07:52 PM

And again, where is all the concrete proof these vaccines are actually doing anything in protecting anyone from contracting covid?

I know one thing for certain, they have caused blood clots, balls palsy, anaphylaxis, thrombosis, severe respiratory problems, severe aches and pains, hospitalization and of course numerous deaths.

Why is it still being administered and not removed/banned?

Look at the other drugs that have been taken off the market for far less worse issues???

Also, if anyone was wondering, only about 50% of the employees at the CDC and the NIH have taken a covid vaccine.
Why is that, and why are all those other front line doctor's and nurses who also refuse to take it never talked about?
https://www.tiktok.com/@backwoodsgir...urce=copy&_r=1

Peter_Spaeth · #2 05-16-2021, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by irv

And again, where is all the concrete proof these vaccines are actually doing anything in protecting anyone from contracting covid?

I know one thing for certain, they have caused blood clots, balls palsy, anaphylaxis, thrombosis, severe respiratory problems, severe aches and pains, hospitalization and of course numerous deaths.

Why is it still being administered and not removed/banned?

Look at the other drugs that have been taken off the market for far less worse issues???

Also, if anyone was wondering, only about 50% of the employees at the CDC and the NIH have taken a covid vaccine.
Why is that, and why are all those other front line doctor's and nurses who also refuse to take it never talked about?
https://www.tiktok.com/@backwoodsgir...urce=copy&_r=1

I don't know what you watch in Canada, but here in the US the vaccines have been so effective that the CDC just dramatically lifted many restrictions. But maybe all the sources reporting that, and the CDC itself, and the studies (including a study of healthcare workers that was a key part of the CDC's decision) all are biased or something.

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/scie...ndates-rcna932

Or maybe you just see what you want to see.

Peter_Spaeth · #3 05-16-2021, 08:33 PM

In one of the studies cited by the CDC, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was shown to be 97 percent effective at protecting against symptomatic infection and 86 percent effective at protecting against asymptomatic infection. Those results, published May 6 in the Journal of the American Medical Association, were based on a study of more than 6,700 vaccinated health care workers in Israel.

Walensky also referenced two recent U.S.-based studies that were published in the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. One study demonstrated that Covid-19 vaccines were 90 percent effective at preventing both symptomatic and asymptomatic infection among nearly 4,000 health care workers and front-line workers. A second study found the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were 94 percent effective at preventing Covid-19-related-hospitalizations among adults 65 and older who have been fully vaccinated.

vintagetoppsguy · #4 05-16-2021, 08:34 PM

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I don't know what you watch in Canada, but here in the US we have a 28 Trillion dollar debt, gas shortages and long lines, growing inflation, a border crisis, rising taxes, riots in the streets and much, much more. So, to divert the attention from all that, the government lifted many restrictions.

Since Peter is blinded to what's happening in the US, I corrected part of his statement for him.

Peter_Spaeth · #5 05-16-2021, 08:37 PM

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Since Peter is blinded to what's happening in the US, I corrected part of his statement for him.

I knew it was all a conspiracy!! "They" have done it again. And to think, I thought Rochelle Walensky, who was an infectious disease doctor here in Boston for many years, had some integrity. "They" got to her I guess.

vintagetoppsguy · #6 05-16-2021, 08:42 PM

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I knew it was all a conspiracy!! "They" have done it again. And to think, I thought Rochelle Walensky, who was an infectious disease doctor here in Boston for many years, had some integrity. "They" got to her I guess.

I'm not talking about the disease itself. I'm talking about the timing of lifting the restrictions. Let's cut the crap.

Peter_Spaeth · #7 05-16-2021, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I'm not talking about the disease itself. I'm talking about the timing of lifting the restrictions. Let's cut the crap.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. The timing. Which, as I read it, was based on the studies. You can disagree with the CDC -- in fact I wish they had kept the foot on the gas pedal. But it's not some left-wing plot.

vintagetoppsguy · #8 05-16-2021, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

That's exactly what I'm talking about. The timing. Which, as I read it, was based on the studies. You can disagree with the CDC -- in fact I wish they had kept the foot on the gas pedal. But it's not some left-wing plot.

Studies? What changed? If the vaccine is as effective as they say it is (and I'm not questioning its effectiveness), why weren't the restrictions lifted for fully vaccinated people several months ago? Again, what changed. Be specific, not just "studies."

irv · #9 05-16-2021, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't know what you watch in Canada, but here in the US the vaccines have been so effective that the CDC just dramatically lifted many restrictions. But maybe all the sources reporting that, and the CDC itself, and the studies (including a study of healthcare workers that was a key part of the CDC's decision) all are biased or something.

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/scie...ndates-rcna932

Or maybe you just see what you want to see.

If you believe that, I have some swamp land I could sell you, Pete.

Could it possibly be, since many people are protesting the lockdowns, refusing the vaccines and basically just getting on with their lives, have anything to do with that?
Could it be the fact the heat is on Fauci and the NIH and the fact they funded the Wuhan lab even though Fauci has denied that from the very beginning, have anything to do with that?

I won't say anymore due to the political no no here but I suggest you do some digging/research, Pete, if you think there is nothing political behind this whole pandemic,,,,,,,, or is that a plan-demic?

But that aside, with so many still getting covid after receiving both shots, again, where is the proof they actually work besides some B.S. story, that only sheep would gobble up, that because they are lifting restrictions, they work?

Peter_Spaeth · #10 05-16-2021, 08:54 PM

OK Dale the studies are all fake. It's just a BS story you must be right. Tell you what go read them, come back and point out the flaws instead of spewing your conspiratorial BS, OK?

Deny everything that doesn't fit your narrative. Just call it fake. Hmmm, who do I know that does that a lot? Hell, people deny Newtown CT too.

Anyone can deny anything, just demand proof, when given proof call it fake, then demand proof again.

vintagetoppsguy · #11 05-16-2021, 08:59 PM

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OK Dale the studies are all fake. Go read them, come back and point out the flaws instead of spewing paranoid BS, OK?

Peter, I read part of what you linked, but had to stop. Your Dr. Walensky was touting how effective the vaccine is. Ok, let's roll with that. If it's really that effective (and again, I'm not questioning the effectiveness), why are so many vaccinated people concerned with the ones that haven't been vaccinated? I keep asking this, but fail to get a logical answer.

vintagetoppsguy · #12 05-16-2021, 08:54 PM

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If you believe that, I have some swamp land I could sell you, Pete.

He'll pay top dollar too.

Republicaninmass · #13 05-16-2021, 09:01 PM

Oh its finally OK NOT to wear a mask outside if you got your Fauci ouchie?

Use your friggin common sense sheeple.

Must be that new science that told us this

Peter_Spaeth · #14 05-16-2021, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

He'll pay top dollar too.

irv · #15 05-16-2021, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

He'll pay top dollar too.

It's amazing what some will believe!

Just a week or so ago, Fauci and sleepy Joe were telling people to double mask then magically, just like that, the vaccines have cured everyone and masks are no longer required?!?!?

How some can't connect the dots despite what's right in front of their noses, is simply mindboggling.

earlywynnfan · #16 05-16-2021, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Since Peter is blinded to what's happening in the US, I corrected part of his statement for him.

Instead of trying to distract us by lifting restrictions, I wish they just would've gone golfing!

vintagetoppsguy · #17 05-16-2021, 10:04 PM

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Instead of trying to distract us by lifting restrictions, I wish they just would've gone golfing!

I sure could go for a mean tweet and some $1.97 gas right now. But I heard 'ol Joe was going to put Hunter on that. He's a pipe expert don't you know?

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