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06-22-2021, 03:54 AM
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First card
I prefer the term “First Card.” To me this says what I need to know - that this is the first known card of a player. You could also add further qualifiers like First MLB Card to distinguish from minor league issues, or First Card with XYZ Team, or First Solo Card to differentiate from multiplayer cards, etc. Everything else that comes after that are not the first card. They may be key or mainstream or more desirable, but they are not the first. Even with my preference for a term like “First Card,” I am not opposed to clarifying or re-defining what is meant by “Rookie Card,” as right now it’s not an overly helpful hobby term.
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06-22-2021, 08:07 AM
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For those raising the issue of minor league players in major league sets, is there a standard cutoff about what number or % of players in the set (or what number or % of cards in the set) can depict minor leaguers before it's no longer considered a major league set?
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06-22-2021, 09:07 AM
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Let's talk about "over-looked" true Rookie cards....Pre-war and early Post-war
Hey Guys
A little too much "verbiage" going on here  Time for some more card displays. Lefty O'Doul is one of my favorites. Personally, I think he should be in theHall of Fame. His rookie year was 1919 with the NY Yankees. I'm not sure which card is his rookie card, he is featured in the 1918 ZEENUT series (but it is a PCL card). Anyone, on this forum have an idea which card of Lefty (wearing a Major League uniform) is his rookie card ?  .    TED Z T206 Reference . Last edited by tedzan; 06-22-2021 at 01:46 PM. Reason: Corrected typo.
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06-22-2021, 03:29 PM
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06-22-2021, 09:25 AM
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Peter:
You are right on the money for all three of those cards. Again, take a look at the five simple parameters that I use, if a card fits all of those guidelines, then it qualifies as a potential rookie card, if no other qualified rookie cards of that player pre-date it. Also important to note that all qualified rookie cards from the same year are true rookie cards, whether one was issued earlier or later in the year than another does not make it the only true rookie card. It could be considered the first rookie card produced and may sometimes be accompanied by a premium because of that but not necessarily so.
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06-22-2021, 09:29 AM
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Glenn:
You are correct, sets that consist of predominantly Major League cards but also include some Minor League/Amateur players would qualify for rookie card status. Examples of these would include N172's, '85 Topps McGwire, etc. From around 2000 on, the card companies started defining what constitutes a player's rookie card so once you get modern/ultra-modern cards into the conversation, things change dramatically. That's why my parameters are designed strictly for vintage cards. Last edited by bcbgcbrcb; 06-22-2021 at 09:32 AM.
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06-22-2021, 09:33 AM
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Is N172 predominantly major leaguers? I'm sure that's a stupid question, but I really don't know.
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06-22-2021, 12:59 PM
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For instance, Kid Nichols' 1889 Old Judge pictures him with Omaha of the Western Association (minor leagues). Similarly, Clark Griffith's 1889 Old Judge pictures him with Milwaukee of the Western Association.
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06-22-2021, 12:47 PM
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The Federal League is counted as a major league by MLB, also by Baseball-Reference and basically every other compiler of statistics readily available. I'm not sure that it SHOULD be but it is universally recognized as a major league. Further, I'm not aware of any significant players whose rookie card is a federal league card, or of federal league cards from 1913, so I'm not sure this is relevant anyways.
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06-22-2021, 12:52 PM
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It's not ready for prime-time yet, but I've been working on a project to share the earliest collectibles/images including a checklist of items for each baseball HOFer. Take a look and let me know what you all think: https://imageevent.com/derekgranger/hofearliest
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06-22-2021, 04:28 PM
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06-22-2021, 04:38 PM
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06-22-2021, 07:09 PM
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Your site is fantastic! Tremendous research into the earliest cards of these HOFers! Love it!
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