Stunning quote on altered cards

G1911 · #1 07-07-2021, 08:38 PM

I collect the card, and not the holder (I collect low grade cards and snap the slabs 100% of the time, unless the card is remaining in my trade bait box), but I think we all have altered cards. It's hard to have a lot of cards and not end up with a significant number of altered cards, altering has been common for decades. I have many I know are trimmed, recolored etc., but I'm positive I have many more I don't realize are altered. However, I personally don't really care, and remain confident I am correctly identifying that they are original authentic cards, if not able to detect all microtrimming or other alterations (I really don't check carefully for it, because I don't care much). My cards have round corners, creases, bites, holes, missing pieces, tape stains, trimming, recoloring, probably rebuilt corners and a whole lot more. None of that ruins them for me, my card isn't mint, if some one micro-trimmed an edge, that's just another type of damage.

If/when it gets to the point where I am no longer positive I am correctly identifying an authentic card, that's where I have a problem.

Johnny630 · #2 07-07-2021, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

I collect the card, and not the holder (I collect low grade cards and snap the slabs 100% of the time, unless the card is remaining in my trade bait box), but I think we all have altered cards. It's hard to have a lot of cards and not end up with a significant number of altered cards, altering has been common for decades. I have many I know are trimmed, recolored etc., but I'm positive I have many more I don't realize are altered. However, I personally don't really care, and remain confident I am correctly identifying that they are original authentic cards, if not able to detect all microtrimming or other alterations (I really don't check carefully for it, because I don't care much). My cards have round corners, creases, bites, holes, missing pieces, tape stains, trimming, recoloring, probably rebuilt corners and a whole lot more. None of that ruins them for me, my card isn't mint, if some one micro-trimmed an edge, that's just another type of damage.

If/when it gets to the point where I am no longer positive I am correctly identifying an authentic card, that's where I have a problem.

I don�t look at micro trimming as you say just another type of damage. I look at it as a Alteration.

G1911 · #3 07-07-2021, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny630

I don�t look at micro trimming as you say just another type of damage. I look at it as a Alteration.

I agree it's an alteration. It's also a kind of damage.

Peter_Spaeth · #4 07-07-2021, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

I agree it's an alteration. It's also a kind of damage.

I suppose, but John and I are of a generation of collectors to whom alteration is horrifying so it's of a different quality.

G1911 · #5 07-07-2021, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I suppose, but John and I are of a generation of collectors to whom alteration is horrifying so it's of a different quality.

I didn't know younger generations were more okay with it. I referred to it as both alteration and damage in #44, I'm surprised if that's a controversial claim.

Peter_Spaeth · #6 07-07-2021, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

I didn't know younger generations were more okay with it. I referred to it as both alteration and damage in #44, I'm surprised if that's a controversial claim.

"just another type of damage"
implying it's no different in kind from a crease etc.

G1911 · #7 07-07-2021, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

"just another type of damage"
implying it's no different in kind from a crease etc.

I would refer too the first few sentences that specifically refer to it as altering.

Altering IS just another type of damage, alterations are a type of damage. They are a group of damage done to increase a cards sell value or appearance. That is a group, a type of damage. Another type, another group, of damage, made its own type because of the fact it is altering, not normal wear and tear but done for a specific purpose intentionally. It does not change my enjoyment of a card, so while it�s own type, it�s just another type..

I don�t know why this wants to be made a thing, but alright.

Eric72 · #8 07-08-2021, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

...if some one micro-trimmed an edge, that's just another type of damage...

The type done purposefully, with the intent of deceiving and defrauding an unsuspecting buyer.

G1911 · #9 07-08-2021, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric72

The type done purposefully, with the intent of deceiving and defrauding an unsuspecting buyer.

See #50.

Eric72 · #10 07-08-2021, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

See #50.

I've read the entire thread. We have a difference of opinion.

G1911 · #11 07-08-2021, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric72

I've read the entire thread. We have a difference of opinion.

That may be, but absolutely nowhere am I saying that altering is not "The type done purposefully, with the intent of deceiving and defrauding an unsuspecting buyer." I've said it explicitly multiple times.

Eric72 · #12 07-09-2021, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by G1911

That may be, but absolutely nowhere am I saying that altering is not "The type done purposefully, with the intent of deceiving and defrauding an unsuspecting buyer." I've said it explicitly multiple times.

Not sure where you've explicitly said that. Perhaps in another thread. The passage you quoted above was my opinion regarding micro-trimming.

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Originally Posted by G1911

...I have many I know are trimmed, recolored etc., but I'm positive I have many more I don't realize are altered. However, I personally don't really care...

It's a big hobby. Plenty of room for everyone. If you "personally don't really care" about unwittingly acquiring altered cards, I applaud you for being so easygoing.

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