1909 E90-1 Joe Jackson value compared to others

[ThomasL]

Im trying to convey comparable as a player AND (probably more importantly when you are debating issues drive by player popularity which card value is one of those things) popularity. Cobb was vastly more popular with fans around the league than Jackson who like I said was popular just not as much and Cobb...my point was Cobb was on another level and Ruth well no one will ever be on his level of popularity. Speaker I still say is the best comparison to make here if you want to try to play the what if game with Jackson and then translate that to card sales...I may have went a little over the top in that Jackson would be largely forgotten, maybe maybe not, Speaker isnt really forgotten but how many casuals know who Speaker was...

My main point...
without the scandal Jackson's rookie card (and all cards for that matter) would track along with Speaker's rookie cards and others of his (save for rare backed T206s)

Jackson is well known now bc of the scandal and more so the 2 movies in the 1980s and that has driven his sales...without that he would not have the appeal of the BIG names like Ruth, Cobb, Gehrig, Jackie, Mantle and with it he barely does...which I guess is kind of the point of this topic...

[ThomasL]

Another point...what were the card sales and how did they compare prior to 1988? That would tell you a lot when trying to compare and evaluate things like this. Compare card sales of your targets prior to FOD and 8MO being released with those of Jacksons, and then track them post 1988.

[drcy]

Not that there's anything wrong with that

[rats60]

Originally Posted by ThomasL

Im trying to convey comparable as a player AND (probably more importantly when you are debating issues drive by player popularity which card value is one of those things) popularity. Cobb was vastly more popular with fans around the league than Jackson who like I said was popular just not as much and Cobb...my point was Cobb was on another level and Ruth well no one will ever be on his level of popularity. Speaker I still say is the best comparison to make here if you want to try to play the what if game with Jackson and then translate that to card sales...I may have went a little over the top in that Jackson would be largely forgotten, maybe maybe not, Speaker isnt really forgotten but how many casuals know who Speaker was...

My main point...
without the scandal Jackson's rookie card (and all cards for that matter) would track along with Speaker's rookie cards and others of his (save for rare backed T206s)

Jackson is well known now bc of the scandal and more so the 2 movies in the 1980s and that has driven his sales...without that he would not have the appeal of the BIG names like Ruth, Cobb, Gehrig, Jackie, Mantle and with it he barely does...which I guess is kind of the point of this topic...

Lou Gehrig was second to Babe Ruth during most of his career. He is still an all time great whose cards are worth a lot of money. Joe Jackson is very similar. I disagree that he is only known because of a scandal. He is known because he was a .356 career hitter. He was very popular player during his playing days as a "nice" alternative to Ty Cobb.

I started setting up at card shows in 1984. Jackson's cards were in heavy demand then. His Cracker Jack cards were worth more than Cobb due to his lack of cards, not being in the popular t-card sets. Those movies came out in 1988 and 1989 and didn't do a lot to his card prices as they were already high and out of most collectors budgets.

[investinrookies]

Enjoyed reading everyone's input and thoughts. To clarify, I was talking about comparing it to other key rookies but there are other examples that come to mind. As its been mentioned, he shouldn't be in the same price range as a ruth or gehrig rookie for example, but I dont think the Jackson rookie should be so far behind them either. Also some non rookie cards as well, take the T206 Plank for example. Obviously T206 is the most popular set, but both have similar pops. PSA pop of 77 for the plank and 92 for the Jackson. Right off, people think the Plank is a much rarer card, but its really not. Also, Jackson was a far better player. Does the T206 Plank card really warrant that much value over a Joe Jackson Rookie card from the same era with a pop difference of only 15? I get it, popular sets create huge premiums but were the ruth and gehrig rookies from popular sets for example? True Pre-War rookies are very few and far between, especially of the top tier players and all should be worth huge premiums over most other pre war cards. In my opinion Joe Jackson is no exception.