T205 - Big 4

BobC · #1 10-05-2021, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by orioles70

Not sure who the 5th card would be in the Big 5...but if you make it the Big Six you gotta include Mathewson for obvious reasons

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The four that Troy shows in post #21 (which already includes the Matty Cycle/1 loss variation), plus the Bobby Wallace - No Cap w/two stat lines variation.

jayshum · #2 10-06-2021, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BobC

The four that Troy shows in post #21 (which already includes the Matty Cycle/1 loss variation, plus the Bobby Wallace - No Cap w/two stat lines variation.

I thought the Wallace with 1 stat line was the tougher variation.

asoriano · #3 10-06-2021, 08:02 AM

Toughest:

#1 - Hoblitzell (No Stats) - Only available with Hassan Factory 30 back
#2 - Mathewson (37-1) - Only available with Cycle back
#3 - Wilhelm ("Suffered" in 18th Line) - Only available with Cycle or Hassan Factory 30 back
#4 - Wallace (No Cap, 1 Line) - Only available with Honest Long Cut or Hassan Factory 30 back
#5 - Moran (Stray Line) - Only available with Piedmont Factory 25 or Polar Bear back

Sleepers:

Gray (Stats on Back) - Only available with Piedmont Factory 25 or Sovereign back
Latham (W.A. on Back) - Only available with Sweet Caporal Red, Factory 42 back

Most Iconic:

BobC · #4 10-06-2021, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jayshum

I thought the Wallace with 1 stat line was the tougher variation.

Was never quite sure about that. Old SCD catalogs I have show conflicting info. A 2011 catalog has the one line version valued at $18,000 NM, and the two line version valued at $7,800 NM. Fast forward to the 2015 SCD catalog and they now show a NM one line version valued at $3,000, and the two line version valued at $8,000 in NM condition. I know to not rely upon such for current values but, always found the SCD catalogs as a fairly reliable source for showing the relative values between cards in a particular set. Based on that published difference between those years, I wondered if possibly there had been a change in the status and scarcity of the one line version that was found during the ensuing years between those two catalogs. I haven't really looked at any Beckett or other published valuation listings in well over a decade, so don't know if this is possibly some printing error on the part of the 2015 catalog SCD then?

If it is an error, I did not otherwise know. And if that is in fact the case that the one line version is still the rarer and more valuable, perhaps the T205 set should not have a Big 4, or a Big 5, but maybe a Big 6 group of toughest cards and include both the one and two line versions of the Wallace - No Cap card in that group. They are both pretty darn hard to find IMO.

jayshum · #5 10-06-2021, 03:06 PM

I have the 6th edition of the SCD which looks like it is from 2016. It has the Wallace one line of stats at $5000 and the two line of stats at $4000. The SMR price for the one line of stats is also higher so it appears that the current thinking is the one line variation is higher priced. Also, there are only 72 of the one line variation graded by PSA compared to 112 of the two line variation.

BobC · #6 10-06-2021, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jayshum

I have the 6th edition of the SCD which looks like it is from 2016. It has the Wallace one line of stats at $5000 and the two line of stats at $4000. The SMR price for the one line of stats is also higher so it appears that the current thinking is the one line variation is higher priced. Also, there are only 72 of the one line variation graded by PSA compared to 112 of the two line variation.

Interesting the valuations on those kept changing so much year to year, that is strange. But looks like maybe the 2015 catalog I have is in error? See the PSA pop report numbers you noted, wonder if SGC shows a similar tilt toward the one line variation being rarer also.

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